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1. Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Sunday, 30-Apr-2023 21:45:35 JST Strypey

   #TIL about #WebMonetization, which according to their website;

   "... is being proposed as a #W3C standard at the Web Platform Incubator Community Group":

   https://webmonetization.org/

   #web #monetization #funding #subscriptions #OpenStandards

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Apr-2023 21:45:33 JST silverpill

     in reply to

     • Hyolobrika
     • william.maggos

     @Hyolobrika @strypey @wjmaggos Web Monetization was a failed attempt to promote Ripple scam to a web standard

   • hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Sunday, 30-Apr-2023 21:45:34 JST Hyolobrika

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     • william.maggos
     • silverpill

     @strypey
     Cc: @silverpill @wjmaggos

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 05:07:31 JST silverpill

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     • Hyolobrika

     @Hyolobrika @strypey No, it's not ledger agnostic. Ripple, Interledger, WebMonetization, Coil, Uphold etc are all parts of the the same machine. They call it "open standard", but it is tied to a small set of API providers (centralized and KYC'd). Basically, it's a marketing campaign targeted to people who don't know much about cryptocurrency world. And its operators have really deep pockets.

   • hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Monday, 01-May-2023 05:07:32 JST Hyolobrika

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill
     Whatever it's origins, don't you think it's best to use open standards? I.e. for #Mitra
     Also, it's currency- and ledger-agnostic, at least now.
     @strypey

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 05:23:22 JST silverpill

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     • Hyolobrika

     @Hyolobrika @strypey FEP-0ea0 is intended to be a replacement for FEP-8c3f (see discussion https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-8c3f-web-monetization/2719)

   • hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Monday, 01-May-2023 05:23:23 JST Hyolobrika

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill
     It looks like someone's made a FEP for it: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-8c3f.md
     But maybe yours will do: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-0ea0.md
     @strypey

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 06:31:35 JST silverpill

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     • Hyolobrika

     @Hyolobrika By the way, if you're interested in ledger-agnostic standards, check https://github.com/ChainAgnostic. This group is not 100% neutral (it was founded by people from Ethereum community), but they are competent and they don't promote any specific chain. There are contributors from many different projects: https://namespaces.chainagnostic.org/

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:31:25 JST silverpill

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     • Hyolobrika

     @strypey @Hyolobrika

     >doesn't seem like a fair description

     https://webmonetization.org/ links to Interledger and Gatehub. Interledger site links to Coil, Puma browser and some noname charity. "Chairperson of the Interledger Foundation, Founder and CEO of Coil". Same guy is the founder of the Puma browser. Previously there were links to Uphold as well, no idea why they removed them. Gatehub = Ripple. And finally, Interledger was invented by Ripple.

     They are trying to make it look like a movement, but in reality it is a small group of companies and organizations used as a front for Ripple.

     >The whole point of the standard is that anyone can be an API provider.

     No one wants to. It's like Microsoft created a standard and the only available API provider is Azure.

   • Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:31:27 JST Strypey

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     • Hyolobrika
     • silverpill

     Clearly I need to do some more reading on this, but from what I've read so far, this...

     @silverpill
     > Ripple, Interledger, WebMonetization, Coil, Uphold etc are all parts of the the same machine

     ... doesn't seem like a fair description. Coil has shut down but the InterLedger Foundation still seem very active.

     > They call it "open standard", but it is tied to a small set of API providers (centralized and KYC)

     The whole point of the standard is that anyone can be an API provider.

     @Hyolobrika

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:38:07 JST silverpill

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     • Hyolobrika

     @strypey @Hyolobrika My FEP is not about micropayments specifically, it simply describes a way to mark any link as "payment link".

   • Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:38:08 JST Strypey

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     • Hyolobrika
     • silverpill

     @silverpill
     > FEP-0ea0 is intended to be a replacement for FEP-8c3f

     What makes Web Monetization interesting is that from a user POV it works like a subscription. But one subscription can that support many publishers. Your FEP appears to implement micropayments, which have been tried and failed again and again since the 90s and will never work, for reasons discussed here:

     https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110262616796875855

     @Hyolobrika

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 00:07:34 JST silverpill

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     • Hyolobrika

     @strypey @Hyolobrika

     I think I have provided enough evidence that all these organizations are linked to Ripple. It's a common knowledge.

     >You could map a similar set of connections through the fediverse to imply that @cwebber is in charge of every organization connected to the fediverse.

     Well, @cwebber is just a person, and there's a entire universe of independent projects maintained by volunteers. Ripple is a big company and 6th largest cryptocurrency by market cap (probably fake but still worth considering), known for shady behavior and using paid shills to promote their products, and it has been trying to infiltrate standards bodies for almost a decade. The WebMonetization ecosystem is... Two companies affiliated with Ripple and a small number of plugins funded with grants?

   • Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 00:07:35 JST Strypey

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     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • Hyolobrika
     • silverpill

     I'm not disputing that these things are interconnected. But that's not the same thing as...

     @silverpill
     > a small group of companies and organizations used as a front for Ripple

     You could map a similar set of connections through the fediverse to imply that @cwebber is in charge of every organization connected to the fediverse.

     Do you have any evidence for the implied claim that the people in charge of InterLedger Foundation or WebMonetization.org were behind the Ripple scam?

     @Hyolobrika

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 00:13:31 JST silverpill

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     • pomstan
     • Hyolobrika

     @pomstan @strypey @Hyolobrika It was Coil, but apparently they pulled the rug so I have no idea.

   • pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 00:13:32 JST pomstan

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     • Hyolobrika
     • silverpill

     @silverpill @Hyolobrika @strypey

     It’s like Microsoft created a standard and the only available API provider is Azure.

     which one is this?