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1. imnusō (imnuso@bitcoinhackers.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:11 JST imnusō

   Im getting the impression monero shills think they’re something like „the real Bitcoiners“ by holding a shitcoin.

   Amazing mental gymnastics.

   • flan (lolicon@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:18:59 JST flan

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     @imnuso @imnuso
     Bitcoin cipherpunks were not a subculture, they were the original community of people actually using (or trying to use) Bitcoin as money. This community has been completely subverted as I've explained before. Bitcoin nowadays is hardly at all used as money, and is primarily kept alive through trading on exchanges.
     
     I had the feeling you hadn't actually looked into Monero, or you would know Monero did not fork off of Bitcoin. The two codebases share no history. And while privacy is a killer feature it's not Monero's only differentiator (or even the 'main' one - fungibility is).
     
     The real mental gymnastics start with the false idea that lack of code innovation and lack of on-chain problem solving are a good thing. Out of all popular open source projects, Bitcoin appears to be the only one vehemently against forks, even if they come with superior tech and scaling solutions (no lightning is not it, sorry to say). I respect Bitcoin for its inception and I know about the already existing ocean of shitcoins (which by the way started around the same time - 2016-2017). But its network effect has not saved it from becoming an investment vehicle, and the real popularity seems to have moved to Monero, at least on the darknet.
     
     The other mental gymnastics around anonymity sets don't apply when anonymity on Bitcoin is not a thing.
      likes this.
   • imnusō (imnuso@bitcoinhackers.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:06 JST imnusō

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     • flan

     @lolicon the mental gymnastics start with assuming something scaling to become money would mean the sun-culture which initiated it should/would scale with it.

     The next would be forking off from bitcoin which is successful without a crystal clear differentiator (no privacy is not it, sorry to say). Once you start with monero you can add shitcoins ad infinitum ignoring the necessity for conversion for a money to become actual money in the first place.

     Then reduced privacy set by monero etc …

   • flan (lolicon@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:07 JST flan

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     @imnuso @imnuso The real Bitcoin movement, as in the cipherpunk "fuck the government and institutions" Bitcoin movement, has been overshadowed by laser eye bagholders pretending to be in it for the tech. I only know about one or two hidden cipherpunk telegram chats where people are still clinging to Bitcoin as a solution.
     Looking at the current state of Bitcoin where it is largely unusable as digital cash without something like Lightning, most of the original cipherpunk movement moved over to other projects, notably Monero. If you compare ~2013-2015 Bitcoin discussions and social media posts, to current day Monero discussions, it becomes obvious.
     Again I'm not sure where the mental gymnastics are, but I shouldn't take it as a surprise seeing as you think people just "hold" Monero and don't use it for its intended purpose, like people used to do with Bitcoin.
   • imnusō (imnuso@bitcoinhackers.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:08 JST imnusō

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     • flan

     @lolicon or “bitcoin movement died” to be accurate.

   • imnusō (imnuso@bitcoinhackers.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:09 JST imnusō

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     • flan

     @lolicon I see how that’s frustrating but it doesn’t constitute “bitcoin died” for me

   • imnusō (imnuso@bitcoinhackers.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:10 JST imnusō

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     • flan

     @lolicon what makes you think that?

   • flan (lolicon@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:10 JST flan

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     @imnuso @imnuso It was around the time where Bitcoin KYC/AML regulations became rampant, when the WEF-owned lightning network launched, when the moonboy investment narratives started overshadowing the cipherpunk/cyberpunk narratives on social media, etc.
   • flan (lolicon@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 29-Dec-2022 00:19:11 JST flan

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     @imnuso @imnuso Where are the mental gymnastics? The real bitcoin movement died around 2016-2017.