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Kill weed smokers. Behead weed smokers. Roundhouse kick a weed smoker into the concrete. Slam dunk a weed smoker baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a weed smokers food. Launch weed smokers into the sun. Stir fry weed smokers in a wok. Toss weed smokers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a weed smokers gas tank. Judo throw weed smokers into a wood chipper. Twist weed smokers heads off. Report weed smokers to the IRS. Karate chop weed smokers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black weed smokers. Trap weed smokers in quicksand. Crush weed smokers in the trash compactor. Liquefy weed smokers in a vat of acid. Eat weed smokers. Dissect weed smokers. Exterminate weed smokers in the gas chamber. Stomp weed smoker skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate weed smokers in the oven. Lobotomize weed smokers. Mandatory abortions for weed smokers. Grind weed smoker fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown weed smokers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize weed smokers with a ray gun. Kick old weed smokers down the stairs. Feed weed smokers to alligators. Slice weed smokers with a katana.
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@ringo @dcc the beauty of a legal status would be those who don't want to smoke could continue their lives unaffected and people who are treated as criminals for something probably less harmful than alcohol can live their lives in peace.
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@ringo @Fiddle :terrylol: all i can say is i will never smoke weed
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@dcc nothing wrong with that. why did you include the guy that wants to kill weed smokers in the reply? that wasn't very polite. I filtered him out of it because I don't want to wake up to 10 messages that make me not want to use the internet again.
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@dcc wow thats pretty bad.
I occasionally smoke but only because I'm old and creaky, not to get stoned.
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@dcc @ringo lots of evidence to support that alcohol wrecks the body and weed does not. At best it clouds the mind, but even that's ephemeral. Quitting also won't kill you if you use more than you should. Meanwhile alcoholism is the only addiction that quitting literally kills you.
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@thatguyoverthere @ringo
> less harmful than alcohol
:terrylol:
anyways the legislation of drugs honestly is a ok idea, people who do it already do it and bad choice like drugs only affect the person who takes them so it matters not what they do
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@thatguyoverthere @dcc while i agree i'll make an important nomenclature distinction i'm certain you're already aware of.
legal just means "there's been a law written about it, and guidelines established untoward a thing."
those damn lawyers, needn't meddle in EVERYTHING, but they do.
they meddle because once a body of laws has been created it paves the way for the cartels to do business above board.
as soon as weed was legalized in CA, guess what happened?
-legacy grows in the green curtain (humboldt) shasta trinity, siskyou, etc were TORCHED. SIEZED, slashed, burnt etc, or just taken out with DEWs or closed down or regulated to death.
this made way for the cartel weed, and they then took over the dispensary marketplace, even further.
ironically, weed in california now is so cheap you can get a decent 1/8 for 25 bucks. at a dispensary. there's no money in it anymore.
back in the day when weed was illegal, and by that i mean unregulated, you could sell a pound of top quality herb for about 1,600.
if you were selling to a friend and already were a prolific grower however, pounds usually even then went about 400$. sometimes you had a good connection and you could get a pound for 200$.
anyway. for everything there is a season, alcohol in SMALL amounts is not harmful, neither is cannabis. all depends what you do before after and during that matters. ie dont get in a car and drive it.
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@dcc @thatguyoverthere cat is meowing at me that means i need to get off the computer again or at least try to do something productive.
i got as far as analyzing the logic in the nginx config for peertube and then porting that to apache, but i realized i haven't set the dns on the new domain yet and don't really feel like being technical at the moment.
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@thatguyoverthere @dcc I quit drinking for 3 years once.
I had been drinking daily about a six pack at the time for about 3-4 years.
it was a strange three days but after that it was fine.
i drank or ate nothing but spoons of honey and distilled water for that period and could hardly move and just stared at the wall...
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@thatguyoverthere @dcc hey while i'm here:
To: that guy over there -
feel free to idle on 2x2chat.com 6697 as per standard. #2x2 ... the other gent in this thread is there, and idles, and a few others, including the @Zerglingman .
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@ringo @dcc @Zerglingman I'll check it out in a bit
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@thatguyoverthere @ringo i can tell you something, most people smoke weed whitch can cause lung canncer, two the clouding of the mind is very much a permanent thing, 3 weed is much more addictive than alcohol, and 4 >alcoholism is the only addiction that quitting literally kills you.
what do you mean by this
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@dcc @ringo clouding isn't permanent but OK sure. It does last for a while. Half life of THC is 3.5 days so some THC could still be in the brain for weeks after your last smoke. It may impact neural development in teens, and probably should be avoided until after puberty though.
I don't know which is "more addictive" but I know that the physical dependence on alcohol will literally kill you if you try to quit. My father died and on his death certificate they listed ethanol withdraw. Never heard of anyone dying from weed withdraw. I do remember a funny antic by a scientist who said "the only way we have found to kill a mouse with a marijuana is to drop a 5 pound brick on him"
Yes smoking is harmful, cancer is not likely from the amount of weed a person might smoke. Most lung cancer is from industrial exposure and cigarettes. You can also eat, drink, and transdermally consume THC.
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@thatguyoverthere @dcc @Zerglingman pretty quiet.
nice little .alt hangout though. :) happy to have you whenever.
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@ringo @Zerglingman @thatguyoverthere nice to have more people to talk to on irc :)
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@dcc @Zerglingman @thatguyoverthere @ringo irc my beloved
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@dcc @thatguyoverthere
he's talking about the "delirium tremens"
it's largely a neuro modulation issue caused by the yeast die off from alcohol.
see alcohol itself is actually yeasts "poop" all things considered.
when you make alcohol you add things to liquid and ferment it, rice, malts, barley, hops, etc.. it ferments, and alcohol comes out as a chemical reaction, but really it's a cellular reaction.
when you stop the alcohol the yeast in the stomach gets upset, and neuro modulates the host to "drink more" because this replenishes the various bacterium that are in there from drinking) in there being the GI tract, and to a lesser extent fatty tissues and the blood.
weed is not more addictive than alcohol, however. it's psychologically addictive for some, however alcohol is physically addictive for most.
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@Nishi @dcc @Zerglingman @thatguyoverthere
well as long as you're not a weirdo, you can feel free to join us. :)
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@dcc @ringo everything is psychologically addictive. Some people succumb to addiction easier than others, but anything that causes a dopamine release runs the risk of becoming addictive. Heroin looks like dopamine to the brain. THC does not. Heroin is physically addictive. It binds to the dopamine receptors which then tells your brain to create more receptors (similar thing happens with caffeine but for adenosine receptors). The problem is that you can never fill that gap of open receptors with naturally produced dopamine. This is why heroin addiction strips a person of joy. THC binds to cannabanoid receptors that are not associated with neurotransmitters we produce.
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@ringo @thatguyoverthere
physically addictive is only half the story, the psychologically addictive subetaces are very much worse ie (heroin, coke, etc) as well they are physically addictive but the psychologically part is what relly fulls the addiction
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@dcc @thatguyoverthere
there are things that should be on everyones no no list.
if you're a minor, that includes all drugs.
i waited until i was 21 and a half years old to even taste alcohol.
i didn't smoke any weed until i was 22.
i wanted my neurons to fully develop before i did anything...
the drugs you mentioned are all on the no no list.
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@ringo @dcc also even if I have no interest in heroin, making it illegal doesn't seem to stop people. I'd be more in favor of a legal status that might make it so those wanting to seek help to get clean don't need to fear legal ramifications
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@ringo @dcc also Ringo I agree the "legalization" movement has been coopted for big business. There were people warning that would be the case years ago. I just mean it should be removed from the schedule of controls drugs. It's still listed as schedule one despite having some evidence to the contrary. Even cocaine has it's medical benefits acknowledged by the dea
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@dcc @ringo yes my point though is that psychological addiction happens with anything you find rewarding. Psychological addiction is nothing more than training your body to anticipate rewards for particular behavior and deliver dopamine. The reason heroin (and other opiates) addiction is so much stronger than others is because it directly interacts on the reward and causes you to need more dopamine to feel any sense of purpose. Other addictions are no where near as intense. In a psychological sense marijuana is no more addictive than TV or tiktok (probably less). Some people have a harder time avoiding addiction than others. No one is saying it's "good" to do something that drives addictive behavior, but the best course of action from a regulatory position in my opinion is to let people do what they want unless what they want to do is harm others. We are fine with alcohol which as I pointed out has an addiction risk unlike any other drugs. Even heroin is safer to quit than alcohol, but the old booze is completely legal.
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@thatguyoverthere @ringo the physical addiction is very rarlly the full reason why they are addicted, psychologically addiction is the main reason why people are addicted to drug including weed, tbh doing neither is the best course of action
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@ringo @dcc crack is just the cias more concentrated cocaine :smirk:
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@thatguyoverthere @dcc
everything has some manner of benefit other than things like flakka and crack. but yeah cocaine used to be a medical thing.
at the turn of the century you could get heroin USP at the pharmacist.
heck, laudinum was very useful in the 1800s although a lot of addicts ended up of the stuff, like mary todd lincoln, for example.
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@ringo @dcc yeah you need to know what you want and be disciplined. One of the reasons you can't get the same effect from a cup of coffee day in and day out is that while you are binding the free adenosine receptors in the brain you still have free adenosine that needs a home, and the brain starts forming more receptors to account for the abundance of neurotransmitters. When you cut caffeine from your diet it can take weeks for your receptor count to drop back to normal levels. With heroin and the dopamine receptors it sounds like you may never reduce back to a normal state.
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@thatguyoverthere @dcc un binding receptors is real tricky work, i mean it can be done, but its like surgery basically
not actually surgery but you need to know exactly what you're doing.
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@ringo @dcc now I'm going to go make some coffee :smirk:
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