Blockbots are just a solution to the problem of "UI gives no indicator that you are blocked and thus your attempt at a thoughtful response has gone directly to the void". Blocks as currently done on fedi are a passive-aggressive shitshow and Masto/Akkoma/etc.'s attempts to hide them are what created the blockbots. Then the "Oh, no, don't tell anyone about the blocks!" boshit is what caused the "Let's make a public blockbot!" drama. Someone clicks a button that says they don't wish to talk to me, that is useful information to me: I can avoid wasting time trying to talk to them.
It's like a horror film watching these people try to build this wall to conceal the operation of the network from the people using it. I disagree with but can understand trying to present a simplified view of the mechanics of fedi, but the number of times I have had to explain to someone on FSE the reasons a follow request might get stuck seems to indicate that the abstractions are too leaky. But this is a different thing, right? "You're blocked but may not know about that" is actually the server, the goddamn *machine*, keeping a secret from the human about the human's account. It's fucked, Akkoma is the product of a diseased mind. akkoma.png
> i agree with this 100%; blocks are just. useful info.
Yeah. "I want to block this person but I do not want them to know" is some kind of fucked up game. Maybe done by people that have been...oversocialized. :tedk:
> then jojo spammed it so i turned it off because it was annoying
Ha, we actually blacklisted him in the hacked up version of the blockbot. The newer version mitigates this by not sending messages if the blocked account was already blocking the other account, which (aside from solving the spam issue) makes sense: you're not going to waste time trying talk to someone that you have blocked.
> the aspect i really like about that message she sent was the idea that we need to prevent actively awful people from using free software. seems like a weird attitude.
The software was created with that goal, and "awful" is much broader than you might expect; have a look at that blog post, https://coffee-and-dreams.uk/development/2022/06/24/akkoma.html , "As many of you will be aware, back in 01/2022, there was something of a schism in the smallish group of Pleroma developers with no single cause in my eyes - it was the culmination of years of mounting tensions between two competing interest groups. Pleroma has ever been an uneasy alliance between 'free speech' people and free software people, and as the project's creator aligned more with the former group over time, it was only really a matter of time before something acted as a catalyst to break the alliance." So, in addition to the very strange distinction (freedom of speech encompasses free software, last I checked), "awful" here means "free speech", there were a lot of rants about loli-posters, etc. (The "Pleroma is terrible because people post lolis" bit was the cause for bae.st tweaking its code to report that it was running Akkoma, and to declare itself the flagship Akkoma instance.)
@p i agree with this 100%; blocks are just. useful info. i ran the blockbot because i wanted to know when i should stop talking to someone. then jojo spammed it so i turned it off because it was annoying
the aspect i really like about that message she sent was the idea that we need to prevent actively awful people from using free software. seems like a weird attitude.
@p@errante What is the current state? If I reply and was blocked, then the reply was typed for nothing. I then usually copy-paste the reply into a public post out of sunk cost fallacy ;) but seriously, blocks should show up BEFORE typing up a reply.
Is that still the current state, or do blocks now get hidden fully - you can send your reply, but nobody - not even other users - can see it?
Personally I am rather in #TeamMute. I do not intend to restrict how other people talk to each other. Blocks are for exceptional circumstances only.