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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 18:14:31 JST Aral Balkan

   Normalise calling Twitter “the Nazi bar.”

   Friend: Hey are you on Twitter?

   You: The Nazi bar? No. You?

   #twitter #naziBar #socialPressure

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 18:18:12 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Dan Shick

     @datn Very much so. It won‘t work on actual Nazis though, of course.

   • Dan Shick (datn@hact.org)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 18:18:20 JST Dan Shick

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     @aral have you found social pressure effective? in my experience people always double down.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 19:00:55 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Torb 🦋

     @torb Well, thank goodness we have non-elitist alternatives like Twitter funded by salt-of-the-earth venture capitalists and run by average Joe billionaires.

     I do wonder what it says to the next person who, instead of getting $5M in VC from Marc Andreessen or working for Google and living the easy life is considering creating a free and open “geeky project” for the common good. Your reward, if you succeed (big if) is to be called elitist. Great incentive that :)

   • Torb 🦋 (torb@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 19:00:56 JST Torb 🦋

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     @aral I mean, what does it say about Fediverse and Mastodon that so many queer people still prefer Twitter to it?

     Fediverse (like many geeky projects before it) is defacto elitist to the point that queer people prefer twitter over it.

     We ought to see that as an valid implicit critique of Fediverse and Mastodon.

   • Torb 🦋 (torb@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 19:00:57 JST Torb 🦋

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     @aral I hate Twitter in many ways, but this strikes me as a bit tone deaf . The biggest reason I’m still on Twitter is because that’s where a lot of my queer friends are.

     These connections are vital for a lot of these people (often used to fascilitate material support, activism and other solidarity).

     The alternatives hasn’t worked for them (otherwise they’d left already). And they *know* Twitter is horrible, often being targets of bigotry themselves.

     This is why I find it tone deaf. It’s tantamount to victim blaming.

   • sogga (sogga@sogga.top)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 19:04:38 JST sogga

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     @aral in all fairness, I've seen more Nazis on the Fediverse than Twitter
   • Archit (archits@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 22:04:54 JST Archit

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     @aral these kinds of messages is what can make Mastodon unwelcoming to new twitter users, Nazis where the worst, i can't believe we are comparing that with twitter even if i do hate twitter

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 22:04:54 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Archit

     @ArchitS We’re not comparing it to anything. It isn’t an analogy. There are actual fascists and white supremacists being platformed there as we speak. If you find a post criticising this unwelcoming then yes, as far as I’m concerned, you’re unwelcome here. Goodbye.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 15:12:41 JST Aral Balkan

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     • MaryPot

     @MaryPot Sometimes some of us have to go over the line in order to shift the line if the line’s in the wrong place. Or else nothing changes. People have sacrificed way more in the past than their account on a web site in their struggle for social progress. It dishonors their memory to expect to be handed it on a tray with a large drink and a side of fries. Social justice is rarely comfortable and some of the worst crimes in history were enabled by those who stayed within the lines.

   • MaryPot (marypot@masto.ai)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 15:12:42 JST MaryPot

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     @aral

     It will become that, but it is still, for many, the only place they can keep in touch with their circles. I know, because I have the same problem leaving FB. Potters are not the most IT-adventurous people.

     Convincing huge groups of people to move to a different platform is not done in a day or a week, or even a month! It needs users who are willing to move - and it needs leaders who are willing to look elsewhere for "their people".

     Labelling all people there Nazis is way over the line.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 00:30:06 JST Aral Balkan

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     @MaryPot@masto.ai I’m European too (well, until you look at where I was born and then I get racially profiled at EU borders as an EU citizen). So I’m pretty clear about these things too.

     Comparing calling a Black person the N word with calling actual Nazis on Twitter Nazis is quite something.

     I hope you can reserve at least a fraction of your outrage for those who truly deserve it.

     Goodbye.

   • MaryPot (marypot@masto.ai)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 00:30:07 JST MaryPot

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     @aral

     No. There are some lines you don't cross.

     You would not call a black person the N word. Why on earth would you generalize and call anyone on a site "your" N word?

     I am European. We KNOW what a Nazi is! My country was occupied by them.

     I am not on the bird site, or I would not be writing this as politely.

     And I suspect you lost any German followers you had.

     Find another word.