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I like these threads Quinn. Even when we don't agree, I feel like I learn something, or am at least forced to think about things in different way. :gummyhug:
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@djsumdog :blobcatfingerguns: AGI
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maybe we should just nuke the planet and start over? I never liked the baby or the bathwater.
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@djsumdog there's a lot of provisos involved. i'm repeatedly told (by guards and from journo articles) the prisons will do stupid shit like classify getting caught masturbating in a cell as an "infraction" which lets them add more jail time without oversight. these programs can then be blocked to "only people with good records" where it takes basically nothing to tarnish a record.
this is aside from the part that its actually really hard to fix a person. it's largely a case of micro state failures, but that's not how its dealt with.
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yea ... there's true to a lot of that. Private prisons are certainly a problem. And there are very few attempts to really get people back on their feet.
At the same time, even when there are programs, only a small percentage really take advantage and make it out. Maybe if criminal records went away after years, but in America, freedoms around speech and information mean you can't stop private background agencies from collecting and publishing that info.. (and I think that's a good thing despite the tradeoffs)
It's a whole mess. Yes we can do more to get people on their feet ... but I think there's also a mythos of that's all people need ... when in reality most people will just offend again (and not just because they're labeled that way by criminal records)
.. honestly preventing crime has to happen with 5 and 7 year olds. By the time they're teenagers or adults, it's really too late
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@djsumdog people who are paid to put everyone in jail saying the only solution is what their job tells them it is.
i'm sure it has nothing to do with the prisons paying the state to keep people in them either.
:cirno_doubt: they really don't even try to rehabilitate people, it's just a meat grinder and then they use their own ineptitude to justify further ineptitude.
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the non-violent drug users thing kinda seems to be a myth. There classically were a lot of drug users (pre Soros era) but the drug crimes were normally attached on to assault and rape to add a few more months or years.
There were some people who were railroaded and labeled, but the more I look at it ... the DAs in the 2010s who said most people couldn't be rehabilitated ... I think some of that is right.
Today we're going hardcore into the political prisoner era. Really fucking dangerous people face zero consequences in some areas ... it's going to revert to "tough on crime" era policies which the crazies will call "racist."
Meanwhile right-leaning people who have done barely anything are going to prison because all the rules have flipped to Mao-era struggle sessions in our courtrooms. People (me included) use to bitch about America's high incarceration rate ... but we're also the 3rd most populous country .. and I bet China and North Korea under-report (a buddy of mine who is a federal defense attorney told me I would never make it through jury selection).
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@djsumdog it is because those are non-violent drug users and, increasingly, political prisoners.
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I'm no longer sure if a high incarceration rate is a bad thing.
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the 30% of crime caused by 300 people thing is kinda weird.
its like those old parables that people are essentially tolerable except its marred by it only takes one.
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