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1. Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 15:46:06 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

   Tech bros love to whine about "The EU cookie policy" that simply doesn't exist the way they imagine it. All these popups are the most radical way to interpret the explicit consent demanded by regulations. An ongoing provocation by the ad/tracker industry to blame their ruthless data hoarding on the EU.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 17:27:49 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Rigo Wenning

     @rigo @jwildeboer DNT itself was a very effective means of “self-regulation” that kept the heat off of surveillance capitalists for a while. It’s layers of bullshit out there.

   • Rigo Wenning (rigo@mamot.fr)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 17:27:50 JST Rigo Wenning

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     • Aral Balkan

     @jwildeboer produced and declared compliant under the lead of Robert Madelin. Cookie banners were a dirty backroom deal of the Commission with the ad industry and killed DNT. The latter brought too much transparency and hindered the wholesale blackmail approach (cookie or being blocked )
     @aral

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 17:29:17 JST Aral Balkan

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     • noyb.eu
     • Rigo Wenning

     @rigo @jwildeboer (Although what would have worked is DNT being interpreted as lack of consent under GDPR. This could still be enforced. If it were to be then you could kiss cookie banners goodbye as your DNT signal would already have answered the question. Of course who is going to have it interpreted and enforced that way, I don’t know.)

     CC @noybeu

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 17:30:37 JST Aral Balkan

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     • noyb.eu
     • Rigo Wenning

     @rigo @jwildeboer @noybeu (The problem with DNT was it was “do not track, please.” With GDPR, you could have a version that replaces the “please” with an “or else.” Could being the operative word here.)

   • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 19:56:17 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data typically going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So the simple session cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Regardless of what the ad/tracker "industry" tries to insinuate.

     Kuba Orlik repeated this.
   • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 19:56:29 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     The ad/tracker "industry" used the same tactics to ruin the DNT (Do Not Track) flag that we had years ago. Because they simply don't WANT to give users an option to just say no. And they have convinced their customers that "enhancing" the web with these popups is the only acceptable way to work. And these customers just accept that.

     Aral Balkan repeated this.
   • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 19:56:40 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     Every time you see such a cookie consent pop-up, you know you are on a website that has accepted to share your data with some data collecting entity. That they are willing to hand over parts of the page content to be filled by a 3rd party. And allow that 3rd party to aggregate and sell their visitors data to the highest bidder. So stop blaming "the EU" and ask yourself if this is the internet we want.

   • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 20:56:09 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     And finally: This all IMHO. My personal frustration. The web wasn't created to be an invasive data collection engine in the hands of a few. It became what it is for many reasons. But it doesn't have to stay that way. Do your little part. Create static pages whenever that's sufficient. Resist including external scripts/tracker stuff. We can return to a #BetterWeb :) Yes, I am that optimistic!