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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 03:21:15 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   • Santa Noodle ☦️

   I’m guessing when it comes to all the paganism and tribal belief sets but the idea of worshipping a reconstruction, an imitation of a long-dead religion never held any allure for me.

   I don’t get how you can say you’re following the same faith as your ancestors 2,000 years prior if you had to obtain it through the internet. I know everyone thinks conversion is cool, but an integral part of my religious belief set was that it was embedded in my family’s history, enmeshed in our actions for generations. I share the same theology and inherited ‘takes’ as my G-grandfather, I have bits of his belief set, points in my worldview that come directly from the life he lived.

   A religion has to be passed down, treasured as part of a familial inheritance. You should be able to trace your spiritual lineage back from one man to another, not just pluck something that sounds cool out of the ether.

   There’s no…soul to that, no lasting spiritual power. 500 years from now it’s not very likely that anyone will say “yeah my ggggg-grandfather converted when he read up on reddit posts about the norse, he was really into black metal runes and he just really got into it….”
   
   RT: https://poa.st/objects/f3f4f78e-14ce-4ba5-9f42-9773732a0144

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 03:22:20 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️

     @BowsacNoodle I don’t understand how hallowed and revered an academic reconstruction can ever be. All the pagan beliefs were broken, the chain of faith irreparably severed. Going back now and listening to historians as they try to reimagine it turns it into a….hobby, in a way. It lacks spiritual momentum, it lacks intergenerational reverence.

     We can’t just bring back a dead culture and start going through the motions, it lacks that critical component of heritage.

   • Twoinchdestroya (twoinchdestroya@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 03:32:26 JST Twoinchdestroya

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️

     @WashedOutGundamPilot @BowsacNoodle Pagans are interesting, it’s so fractured that many can’t even agree what their ancestors believe.

     At this point it’s a spiritual calling from their ancestors to want to live with nature again, but otherwise the religion and traditions are lost.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 03:32:26 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Twoinchdestroya

     @Twoinchdestroya @BowsacNoodle I appreciate where their head is at, I just don’t think it’s all that tangibly spiritual if this glaring, tremendous shortcoming isn’t something to consider and think about. You COULD try to resurrect it as a tradition but I just don’t get the impression from anyone that they’re going about it. It’s just…..an accessory, a part of their personal brand.

   • node (node@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 03:34:04 JST node

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @BowsacNoodle When an Eastern European man departs from the Orthodoxy he inherits, and begins to practice Paganism, it is a mistake. When a man grows up in secular, materialist, Faustian-thinking family yet adopts Catholicism from his time in the DR, is it now a good choice?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 03:34:04 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️
     • node

     @node @BowsacNoodle Depends on who he gets it from. If his conversion is rooted in internet memes and orthotrad twitter groups, then it’s not as sterling as he supposes it is.

     Conversion should be based upon human contact, it’s the only arena which guarantees some measure of spiritual reception to suss truth from falsehood. It’s much harder to parse over the internet when you’re all alone.

   • :cornbread_going_goblin_mode: Elfie :nafo: (elfie@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 04:07:51 JST :cornbread_going_goblin_mode: Elfie :nafo:

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @BowsacNoodle
     I think you just said exactly what I was thinking
     
     There's nothing wrong with paganism but it's fundamental rites of communion with their gods has been lost. The father, the son and the holy spirit demand that your work towards salvation, through rites, prayers and the study of the holy texts, but what about paganism? How do you worship your gods?
     
     It also doesn't help that you will NEVER find a cultist on the net, in the same way you'll never find real witches and shamans hanging around modern communities.
     
     Those who profess the truth of their faith have no time to waste in here, only those who don't truly believe or believe in dark rituals use modern communication methods, to gain wealth and power, or simply corrupt others.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 04:10:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️

     @Elfie @BowsacNoodle Yeah, I’ve never met an IRL, devout one so I’ve never heard their side of it. Just in brushing against them online it smells more like - and I know this is kind of insulting - a fandom - more than a religion. It may just be the way they approach it though, it just….there’s something terribly sad about trying to reassemble a faith.

     It’s like trying to find the burned down remnants of a wooden home from 500 years ago, you don’t ever be able to repair it back to how it was when it was new.

   • Gelert (gelert@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 04:27:07 JST Gelert

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @BowsacNoodle Fundamentally it lacks any sort of truth claim, it is based on civic observance of rituals, not faith and piety towards ultimate truth that can only be revealed through divine revelation.
     Without that, all you have is a mythological legend and aesthetics, the mere veneer of religion resembling the meaningful expressions from actual religions which make active claims to revealed divine truth.
     
     No Roman, Viking or Steppe nomad would have died for their God's glory, their Gods were merely receptacles of public approval for doing the community rituals. As long as you observed them you were "pious", even if you didn't believe. Likewise, if you refused to observe them, any misfortune would be attributed to you angering the Gods or not paying adequate tribute. It was always YOUR fault for not appeasing them, failure, trouble, corruption could always be turned around and used to shame the plebs into further compliance. A mere mechanism for social control and uniformity playing on superstition.
     
     Social pressure and the pride of observing the rituals of the current civic superstition reinforced by fawning sycophants going "so brave". But refuse to observe the ritual and suddenly it was obviously your fault that your co-worker's second cousins great-grandfather died of Covid. You didn't pay the tribute, you should be shamed.
     Such is the insipid shallowness of historic pagan "spirituality" and why, lacking any actual contact with the divine, modern recreations fail to capture any of the original vitality that may have been there due to strenuous conditions of survival and tribal warfare.
     Anthony Fauci will always be a better Pontifex Maximus than Sven Bloodbeard (formerly Steven Butterworth) pouring out a drop of beer onto the floor for the Gods.
   • Gelert (gelert@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 04:27:07 JST Gelert

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @BowsacNoodle Thinking on this, perhaps this is why Gallic druids forbade recording of their religion and only passed traditions orally, same with Roman/Greek cults and temples being esoteric and secretive, a way to always have the pleb rely on the "experts" for how they should act, not having any codified text or scripture from which to hammer out concrete doctrine and orthodoxy. This further shows the importance of keeping the Pontifex Maximus a political appointment in Rome, it allowed for elites to retain some of their arbitrary power after the Roman law was codified on the 12 tablets (against their vehement protests).
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