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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:31:47 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
   Starting new thread to sperg about military bloat and systems. Always a fun topic:
   
   Anyways, let's check in on the Zumwalt. Huh, isn't it next generation already? Why does it need to be modernized already? I'm not a waterboi, but I thought this thing was in its early stages. Weird. Oh well. Maybe the air force is doing better.
   
   Huh? Oh, shit, guess the F-35 ain't doing so hot either.
   • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩 (ferrarilegends@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:31:46 JST ferrarilegends 🇸🇩

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     @JSDorn @WashedOutGundamPilot actually the zumwalt's story is a goddamn mess. it was supposed to be part of the SC-21 program back in 1994 when the navy wanted a land attack destroyer and an air defense cruiser to replace the ticonderogas with that can also function as an arsenal ship with at least 256 vertical launch tubes and work began on both ship designs by about 2001. Fast forward to the striking of the last Iowa-class battleships off the naval register and the US navy now wants the zumwalt to pick up the job of the former Iowa class ships role of fire-support by investing into IEP propulsion so they later on add railguns and laser weapons down in the future while still having at least 128 launch tubes for land attack missiles (most likely navalized-SLAMs or tomahawks?) while refocusing the cruiser design on air defense while adding ballistic missile defense as a requirement. Eventually due to problems with the kinetic energy interceptor missile that the cruiser was supposed to use and the issue of the cruiser design itself not being able to fit a small enough but powerful reactor to propel a 23,000 ton cruiser, the CG(X) part of the SC-21 program gets scrapped, and the zumwalt goes through more changes reducing its armament to only 20 VLS tubes (but capable of launching 4 missiles from each tube so 80 technically) and now we have a destroyer designed from the late 90s that can't do any of its roles well.
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   • JSDorn (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:31:47 JST JSDorn

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot Zunwalt was meant to be a platform for Navy Railguns.
     
     Turns out they are terribly impractical for that purpose and so now they have no role to fill and are very very expensive to maintain.
     
     I'm surprised they are even bothering to modernize.
   • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩 (ferrarilegends@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:32:07 JST ferrarilegends 🇸🇩

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     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @JSDorn @WashedOutGundamPilot Also for some reason the 155mm AGS guns on the zumwalt that were supposed to essentially do the same job as the 16 inchers on the iowas never got the proper ammunition, so the guns are basically useless and now the navy is trying to replace them with new hypersonic missiles which i think what the article is referring to by mentioning that the zumwalts are going to be upgraded
   • JSDorn (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:32:10 JST JSDorn

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     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @ferrarilegends @WashedOutGundamPilot I forgot about this part.
     
     They have guns that we don't have ammo too.
     
     THEY HAVE GUNS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AMMO FOR.
     
     AND WE ARE THE SUPERPOWER
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   • :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:32:10 JST :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad:

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     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     If you sell the navy a bunch of guns they have ammo for then you get to sell them a bunch of guns. If you sell them guns they don't have ammo for then you get to sell them a second bunch of guns too.
     
     #jewlogic
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:32:39 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:
     @Shadowbroker2135 I think it's part of their sales brochure. It's the only way to get all these suckers on the hook for the program around the world: Tell them that this is the LAST FIGHTER THEY'LL EVER NEED because it's so dang futuristic, and once they buy in they're stuck with the costs for good. It's like fighters as a subscription service. They'll offer block advancements as years go on, constantly update it, pretend it's the only fighter on the market they can trust to scare russians and chinese.....and pray they never actually see combat to put that myth to the test
   • ☢️ :jhg_s: :jhg_n: :jhg_e: :jhg_e: :jhg_d: :denton_laugh: (nitrodubs@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:32:39 JST ☢️ :jhg_s: :jhg_n: :jhg_e: :jhg_e: :jhg_d: :denton_laugh:

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     • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowbroker2135 F-16s first flew in the early 1970's and are still being built, so a 66 year fighter program isn't outside the realm of possibility.
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   • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 02:32:40 JST SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot >66 year lifespan
     Is this a joke? Do they know how many aircraft they've switched out over the last 66 years?