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1. Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:13 JST Doc
   The Bible:
   >Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (Gen 2:24)
   >And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death (Gen 24:67)
   >If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. (Deut 22:28-29)
   >Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. (Mal 2:14)
   >Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. (Luke 16:18)
   >What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. (1 Cor 6:16)
   >And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. (1 Cor 7:10-11)
   >Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. (Heb 13:4)
   
   niggas: "sex isn't marriage"
   • Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:08 JST Owl

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     • Tyler
     Weren't the Ancient Israelites ultimately just Canaanites by another name by the time it was all said and done?
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:08 JST Tyler

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     • Owl
     That would be an interesting study, after thousands of years of being raped, having the men killed or made concubines, and mixed and taken into captivity more than once and then continuously defiling themselves with the daughters of the land, if you're looking at it from a genealogical perspective using the biblical timeline.
   • Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:08 JST Owl

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     • Tyler
     Right, that's kind of what I was fishing for. Also it's not without merit that the Ancient Israelites were pretty much just rebellious teenagers who were Hellbent on going wayward.
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:09 JST Tyler

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     Yes, in that chapter, it's saying that you're sinning by doing that: joining yourself to a harlot, it's fornication. She is a WHORE. You don't marry a whore.
     
     And deeper than that, marriage being a picture of Christ's covenent with us to save us despite how much we personally suck, is drawing the natural conclusion that being a whore is abominable, so don't act like a harlot would - and love God instead of going after things that aren't God.
     
     That is telling you that because saved believers are joined with the Lord as one spirit: DON'T BE A SPIRITUAL WHORE. YOU WOULDN'T MARRY A PHYSICAL ONE.
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:09 JST Tyler

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     • Tyler
     Time and time again in the old testament, God refers to the ancient israelites as whores and harlots when they go after other gods.
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:10 JST Tyler

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     • Tyler
     And that covenant is what sets apart the whore and the concubine.
     
     Both are disposable and there is no loyalty there, nor requirement to love, or to have reverence. They are primarially agreements of convienence.
     
     There's a ton of scriptural examples as well for this, very notably Abraham himself in Gen25. Abraham had a wife, but also apparently a several concubines, and he paid them so they would leave and not interfere with the inheritance he gave to his son Issac. He didn't really care about the concubines and any kids he had with them. They were live-in girlfriends out of convenience, but not a wife.
     
     So so so many examples in the Bible how the Holy Ghost (the narrator of the Bible) in no way considers mere sex to be akin to marriage.
   • Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:10 JST Doc

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     • Tyler
     I would agree however 1 Cor 6:16 states "What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh."
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:11 JST Tyler

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     Furthermore, if you want to look at what marriage is, it's fundamentally a covenant - an agreement and a promise to be joined together as one. In the case as a husband and wife, that doesn't only mean physically as in sex, but in all manner of things. Marriage, about loving your wife, how to do that, and both of your responsibilities go beyond simple physical intimiacy.
     
     In multiple places in scripture, the LORD and Christ are described as being married to his people, and loving them (saved believers) as a husband loves his wife.
     
     Ephesians 5 is pretty good at looking at marriage this way.
     Jeremiah 3 descibes how the LORD feels about his people backsliding and screwing up - using marriage as an example.
     
     There are weird cults that take this "sex is marriage" to such an extreme that they view their relationship with their 'god' as some kind of weird ass cosmic sex cult, where they LITERALLY become the wife of God. It's wild. I forgot what one they are but I think they were mormon-adjacent.
   • Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:12 JST Doc

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     • Tyler
     @tyler
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:12 JST Tyler

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     Sex isn't marriage.
     Sex is indended for marriage.
     
     Otherwise every whore and concubine would be called a wife, which they're clearly not.
   • Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:12 JST Doc

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     • Tyler
     Fair
   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 05:02:35 JST Tyler

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     • Owl
     It is SHOCKING, how closely that the development of God's people so closely matches the behavior of a growing child, from Adam until the today.
     
     Adam being as infants, then babes, then in exodus it's as toddlers and young men, then by the time you hit judges it's preteen age 'i know everything,' then by the end of kings/chronicals it's the teenage years, then the latter prophets is like 'well you're going to be on your own now son, I raised you as best I could and here's what will happen if you keep being a dumbass' - and in the new testament it's "he's a man now and will make his own decisions"