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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 04:51:28 JST 
cool_boy_mew
@animepfp @nozaki The problem is that the "left" (or the massive amount of shitlibs) have echochambered themselves to death, are unable to be chill for two fucking minutes and are attempting to erase everything and everyone that aren't shitlibs
Just like how the right will sometimes fall for neocon/rhino/whatever talking point, the actual real left will also often devolve into shitlibs behavior and talking point because their spaces has been practically mostly that for the past decade now
All in all, the Internet in general gotta be de-2016'd, but that was a pandora's box that's most likely never closing-
xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 04:54:58 JST 
xianc78
@coolboymew @nozaki @animepfp
>All in all, the Internet in general gotta be de-2016'd, but that was a pandora's box that's most likely never closingThe conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that it's all intentional. It makes it easier to control people when everyone is in their own ideological echo-chamber where there ideas can never be challenged.
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xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 05:31:25 JST
xianc78
@coolboymew @nozaki @animepfp
>There's been theories all over that the CIA/whatever has basically completely fucked over "the left" and the overall current states of online and big outlets politics is confusing on purposeI think it goes back further than that. Once upon a time, liberalism, republicanism, and populism were considered "left". There is theory that communism, socialism, and left-anarchism are all controlled opposition ideologies made to undermine the enlightenment and liberal movements in Europe by being extreme versions of what the enlightenment movement wanted, and those ideologies were made to devolve into fascism (i.e full top-down control) by design.
>And then there's the "the commies!!!" thing. You'll see online, all of the big breadtubers, twitter accounts with communist sign, socialists, etc... They're basically just shitlibs
>And then there's the weird disconnection between the actual socialists (they're usually not completely 100% socialists nowadays), communist and co. that rages when... let's say Sargon as an example, use the term "communists"
In their purest definitions, socialism is where the workers control the means of production, and communism is a classless, moneyless, and stateless society. So I guess you could make the argument that the "not real communism" counter-argument is correct, but that leaves the question on whether a communist society is even possible or desirable, assuming they aren't controlled opposition ideologies like I suggested earlier.
Also, just how people are confused by the definitions of communism and socialism, I think people are confused about the definition of capitalism. A far-leftist will argue that rich people buying/bribing politicians, wars for economic gain, etc are all examples of the "evils" of capitalism, yet a right-libertarian would say otherwise as those examples violate the non-aggression principle. Every ancap vs ancom debate I've seen devolves into these types of arguments.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 05:31:26 JST
cool_boy_mew
@xianc78 @nozaki @animepfp Oh yes, it is. We've known about astroturfing organisations like correct the record and then there's USAid funding extremely shitlibs outlets
There's been theories all over that the CIA/whatever has basically completely fucked over "the left" and the overall current states of online and big outlets politics is confusing on purpose
I see this in political discourse where nothing makes sense anymore. As I previously described it, the liberal left are not completely illiberal, they have completely turned on a 180 on free speech and co and can barely be called "the left" anymore, so what do you even call them? Functionally, they're "the new left", but they're not actually advocating for actual left wing stuff other than superficial identity politics shit that does nothing (on purpose, for sure), so there's a constant fight on the definitionno of it. the actual left are pissed and ineffective and outnumbered, and the defintion is muddled because the right are "right" in that they're the new left overall even if none of what they do is really leftist
And then there's the "the commies!!!" thing. You'll see online, all of the big breadtubers, twitter accounts with communist sign, socialists, etc... They're basically just shitlibs
And then there's the weird disconnection between the actual socialists (they're usually not completely 100% socialists nowadays), communist and co. that rages when... let's say Sargon as an example, use the term "communists"
For the actual left, communist is ☺️ "communism", all the people are equal (good), capitalists rich CEO don't get to completely rob the people are yadda yadda
For the right, the Sargons, etc. it's communism :sad: (bad). Everyone is equal (Bad version) in that men and women are considered the same (the gender communists, as they often say), the breadlines, the rich CEOs and the government wants to make everyone equal (equally poor) and own nothing and control the market, everyone from everywhere is equal! etc...
... I could probably write more but I've written enough. What's annoying is that we currently have a shitflinging fight on what is a definitional difference when both of them could be great friend with a few ideological differences
Yes, it is most likely been astroturfed to shit to ultimately have this happening -
xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 12:37:05 JST
xianc78
@Calvin @nozaki @coolboymew @animepfp Give every ideology it's own city-state and problem solved.
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Calvin (calvin@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 12:37:16 JST 
Calvin
@xianc78@gameliberty.club @animepfp@radiofreegreenland.org @nozaki@mugicha.club @coolboymew@shitposter.world Well, a major issue is that we can't agree on what kind of a world we want if we get rid of the evil puppet masters. Sometimes it's trivial, but other times it's bigger like "we want to have a country for our own people" and "we want you to not have that, majority minority is the future!" But, it's definitely confused on purpose, just like how Amazon used/uses a heatmap system to figure out common employee associatings, so they can figure out who the break up to prevent unionizing from happening.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 12:37:17 JST
cool_boy_mew
@xianc78 @nozaki @animepfp my issue is that outside of the definition autism, there's a lot to agree between everyone and it's just been fucking up everything -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 12:37:17 JST
cool_boy_mew
@xianc78 @animepfp @nozaki in the end, the left/right thing is not terribly helpful anymore and is just partisan politics bullshit. I'd argue the shitlibs are on an entire other level as it seems to be pretty much the elite's politics and "both sides" actually fucking hates them
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