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1. pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 16:19:21 JST pistolero

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   @sicp @Suiseiseki
   
   > in a way I don't have to feel bad about hating Unix cultists since it's designers also did.
   
   People doing cult shit are terrible, worse than useless. ( https://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html/ ) Anything good and most bad stuff ends up with a team of Kool-Aid drinkers, though.
   
   > A lot of recent programs have caught on to using 9P since it's still the best protocol for a lightweight file server out there.
   
   It's delightful.
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   • the_daikon_warfare (sicp@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 16:19:28 JST the_daikon_warfare

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     @p Even as a big Lisp nut I still greatly admire the design of Plan 9, and in a way I don't have to feel bad about hating Unix cultists since it's designers also did.
     
     When it's in the proper context of a network it's really intuitive to use, and the way it exploits the filesystem to do everything is genius. A lot of recent programs have caught on to using 9P since it's still the best protocol for a lightweight file server out there.
     
     @Suiseiseki If you log in with Drawterm you can still edit remote files under /mnt/term with Emacs, FWIW.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 16:19:29 JST pistolero
     @Suiseiseki
     
     > I tried plan 9, but it didn't even have GNU Emacs,
     
     This is by design:
     
     mushi% grep -i emacs /sys/games/lib/fortunes | sed 's/^/> /g'
     > The Blit is a nice terminal, but it runs emacs.
     > Any mail routed through "emacs" will probably fail without benefit of a bounce-back.
     > $ Editor (vi or emacs)?
     > GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; type C-h C-w for full details.
     > You may give out copies of Emacs; type C-h C-c to see the conditions.
     > Type C-h t for a tutorial on using Emacs.
     > Gnuemacs is portable except to machines that are too small. -Richard M. Stallman
     > I just want a bare-boned, straight EMACS. - Rae McLellan
     > emacs: Terminal type "emacs" is not powerful enough to run Emacs.
     > Promoting XEmacs from Editors to Red Hat Linux
     > If emacs buffers were limited to the size of memory, it would not be possible to edit /dev/mem. -tb@becket.net
     > One of the silliest things you can do with a modern Unix machine is run the Eliza mode of Emacs against random quotes from Zippy the Pinhead. - Eric Raymond
     > ssh, the emacs of network protocols
     > <jordanb#emacs@freenode.org> I think it's hilarious that you're doing xlib programming and your nick is 'kruhft'
     > The Importance of Being EMACS
     > Stallman saw a problem in too much customization and de-facto forking and set certain conditions for usage. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMACS
     > A security flaw in GNU Emacs' email subsystem was exploited by Markus Hess in his 1986 hacking spree to gain superuser access to Unix computers.
     > For me, the most dramatic example of the progress of hardware in the intervening years is Emacs.
     > rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1
     > As a programmer, I can make my programs do whatever I please. If I want to autosave all of my documents, I can write an Emacs script to save after every hundred keypresses.
     > Emacs Needs To Move To GitHub, Says ESR
     > To enter the computers, he exploited weaknesses such as a program called GNU Emacs that allowed mail users system administrator privileges under certain conditions.
     > Currently, vim also loads faster than Emacs.
     > Emacs now supports webkit.
     
     :kenbw:
     
     > The version I ran was full of GNU Emacs, GNU nano and a Xorg server.
     
     I'm sorry to hear that and I hope things get better.
     
     > You can only have an ultimate free software operating system if you include GNU.
     
     This doesn't seem to be the case, as Plan 9 is the ultimate free software operating system.
     
     > Only the 2014 version
     
     The basis of ANTS and 9front, meaning that the derivative OSs are all GPL. You can't revoke the GPL, and the original owners have ceased maintenance.
     
     > Unless utilities can output usage instructions and the license, in Japanese too if you wish, they're no good.
     
     :kenbw:
     
     > Is this god's holy rainbow?
     
     Probably.
     ken-yshl.jpg
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