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the future of desktop linux is flatpaks and only trannies disagree with that
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@teto
*Trannies and Canonical
The only reason the ecosystem has not fully embraced Flatpak is because Canonical's incessant pushing for Snap and their stupid Micro$hit-like tactics to force Snap down every Ubuntu user's throat.
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@SuperSnekFriend @teto the future of desktop linux is not flatpaks and only trannies disagree with that
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@SuperSnekFriend @teto Flatpacks are good for no one and do nothing, app images are what should only be used.
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@dcc @teto
Maybe for powerusers.
Flatpaks are good for the tech-stupid normalfag masses, which will encourage proprietary devs to put their software via Flathub or some other sandbox system. More professional software on Linux means more people using Linux in the long term.
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@teto @SuperSnekFriend >flat pack are easier than app images
You are the tech giga austis....
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@SuperSnekFriend @dcc the tech giga autists who hate flatpaks dont even think of using proprietary software nor do they even think of normal people when discussing linux. They are too autistic to think of other people in general
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@SuperSnekFriend @dcc @teto A normie will quickly figure out that their Discord rich presence isn't talking to their Steam game because Discord is installed as a Flatpak
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@eric @SuperSnekFriend @dcc the problem with flatpaks is the community (funny cuz the same applies to linux as a whole). Among flatpak nerds its main use is security. Among more "casual" users like me the main appeal is solving the dependencies and compatibilities issues that have plagued every linux distro ever. 2 sides of the community who dont agree on much really.
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@SuperSnekFriend @dcc @eric the one thing that proves immutable distros that only use flatpaks basically work, is the steam deck. People use it as a desktop even without much linux knowledge or interest. They open the "app store" and install their stuff. Not much learning needed.
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@eric @dcc @SuperSnekFriend flatpak maintainers can ship any and all permissions. They can for example ship "allow all /mnt /media and /run/media paths". But then theyd have to face the wrath of the security nerds. I have used flatpaks that ship such things by default.
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@eric @SuperSnekFriend @dcc having to configure paths for external drives may seem too much for normal users but the more normies actually use flatpaks the bigger the flatpak maintainers will focus on that to make it go away. Right now the people who use flatpaks can manage. Only thing I changed was adding my external drives here and there. And discord sucks ass on linux for screensharing so im using vesktop anyways. All these things arent identified as flatpak problems but "linux" problems by normies, and makes them go back to windows.
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@teto @dcc @SuperSnekFriend You are right, but IMO the guys working on Linux desktop rn (mostly freedesktop.org) guys try to sorta dumb Linux down by restricting what the user can do and whatnot. Normies do a lot more with computers than you might expect. Photographers except to be able to open an image in Photoshop straight from Lightroom for example. There's also OLE linking inside Microsoft Office. And yes I know these problems may get a fix one day, but the solution is usually less than ideal when compared to other platforms. I haven't used Flatpak in a long time but I suspect you need to grant permission to a certain application to access your external drive in a control panel somewhere, on Windows however most if not all applications can just access your external drive right away. Yes I know this is for security or whatever the hell they claim, but this isn't 2008 anymore, people rarely download random toolbars from the Internet anymore. And at the end of the day, normies only know so much about computers. Windows Vista got a bad reputation not because of Windows Vista but mostly due to third-party software or drivers written for it. If you have to explain to a new user that something something goes wrong because of something called "display manager" or something like "package manager" and it's the fault of those things instead, I consider this a failure in usability.
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@eric @dcc @SuperSnekFriend yes the flatpak's biggest problem is actually the security it brings. But if discord rich presence is your biggest problem on linux I think thats kind of laughable. Normies dont care about rich presence. A nerd does.
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@teto @dcc @SuperSnekFriend What do Steam Deck users mostly do on the Steam Deck? Do they do their 9 to 5 job on the Steam Deck? The most they will get is installing a couple of emulators and that's it.
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@teto @dcc @SuperSnekFriend Honestly like, most people in the Linux community think that normies can just do their job in a web browser... like no that's not the case lol
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@eric @dcc @SuperSnekFriend I was able to do everything on it that I do on my main gaming pc.
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@eric @SuperSnekFriend @dcc also using 9 to 5 as a comparison is funny since nobody except linux admins and some programmers use linux for that at all. Not a topic for flatpaks at all then.
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