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1. Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 08:57:18 JST Csepp 🌢

   Tbh if you were against the #NFT and #blockchain crap because of its energy requirements, you should be against #ChatGPT and most other currently hyped #AI crap.
   If you aren't, I'm really curious what you're doing that you think makes the energy expenditure worthwhile.

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   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 08:58:10 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     @csepp Along that line, here's a link I shared earlier: https://limited.systems/articles/climate-cost-of-ai-revolution/

   • Urusan (urusan@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 09:53:11 JST Urusan

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     @csepp While I'm not going to argue that AI is great for the environment, the wastefulness of cryptocurrency is next level.

     Training Stable Diffusion v2.1 created 15,000 kg of CO2 equivalent, which is the same as roughly 34 Bitcoin transactions. Bitcoin chews through 3.4 million Stable Diffusion trainings in a year.

     I run SD at home on my gaming PC and it uses the same electricity as gaming. So after paying that up front cost, it's about as bad as PC gaming.

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   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 09:54:47 JST Csepp 🌢

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     • Urusan

     @urusan Bitcoin did at least promise (but so far failed) to decentralize finance. I haven't seen a decent use case for AI art that justified its energy costs.

     And yeah, I'm holding PC gaming and other forms of digital art to the same standard. Games should have a tiny fraction of their system requirements. Same goes for 3D animation.

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   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 09:54:52 JST Csepp 🌢

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     • Urusan

     @urusan The one saving grace for 3D and AI art is that once rendered it's just an image/video, but you don't need either an AI or raytracing to create aesthetic art.

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 09:56:35 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     • Urusan

     @csepp @urusan That said, I am excited for NeRFs! That should help bring filmmaking within reach of theatre groups! And save some trips to get good scenery.

     And we've gotten the performance down to reasonable levels on them...

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 09:59:35 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     • Urusan

     @csepp @urusan Then try "neural radiance fields"!

     Here's the link: https://www.matthewtancik.com/nerf
     And NeRVs get really interesting: https://pratulsrinivasan.github.io/nerv/

   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 09:59:36 JST Csepp 🌢

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     @alcinnz @urusan I already dread trying to look that up. How do people choose the least searchable names for their projects...

   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 10:10:43 JST Csepp 🌢

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     @alcinnz @urusan Seems more useful than most other image generation stuff I've seen, but to be honest I think we're gonna have to scale our expectations back of what art should look like if we want to solve the climate crisis.

     Which, when put into perspective, is not a huge sacrifice compared to other changes we should be making.

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Mar-2023 10:15:46 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     • Urusan

     @csepp @urusan More useful & cheaper, make that!

     I think there's a middle at which to meet people at, & NeRF/NeRVs could be a low-cost means of finding that middle!

     Personally though I'd be happy with no visuals, I'm loving those stories!