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1. mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:10 JST mcc

   My new tablet came! I am so excited. I just know I'm going to hate this thing <3

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:55 JST mcc

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     The Android evil-genie promise: You may have an open source phone OS. But if you actually compile it from source yourself, you will be banned from running any software. Or at least, they'll try as hard as they can to ban you from running software. Also, if you decide you want to build or even *download* the source, you're going to need to purchase a dedicated 1 TB SSD to check out the repo, and also download our forked version of git to check it out with

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:56 JST mcc

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     Incidentally, a friend with an old Samsung mentions their Samsung has this second option for nav gestures, where the three standard nav bar buttons are replaced with three swipe-up-from-bottom areas. For the tablet environment, that is actually really nice! I would enable that if I could! It is apparently 100% Samsung exclusive and also, on the newer Samsungs it's been removed.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:56 JST mcc

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     *Gosh*, I wish Android were actually open source.

     Internet. Czas działać! 🇺🇦 repeated this.
   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:57 JST mcc

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     The two settings in "global" are the ones that Lenovo exposes to me— they're already off and aren't important. I guess the most helpful thing here would be if someone with a non-Lenovo Android tablet could try doing `adb shell settings list system` and `adb shell settings list secure` before and after toggling the Settings ➜ Display ➜ Taskbar option, and diffing the results. (Or just grepping both for "task" and eyeballing it.) However this seems unlikely since again, nobody uses Android tablets

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:57 JST mcc

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     Incidentally, another thing I'd consider an option— although not necessarily my preferred option— is if I could go with the gesture navigation, but change it so the back gesture is something other than a side-pull, or like a side-pull and hold or something. I cannot function without having my side-pull gesture inside of apps, plus in my testing left swipes nowhere near the border get interpreted as back gestures.

     Some "posts" refer to a "swipe gesture sensitivity" setting but idk what this is.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:58 JST mcc

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     Okay so going at the "can I get the NORMAL NAV BUTTONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM REPEATEDLY MOVE LEFT AND RIGHT" problem (which I really might just return this tablet if I can't figure it out) now

     It's hard to search for because tons of people try to enable the taskbar on a *phone* but I appear the first person to want to *disable* it, I assume because I'm the first person who cares about computers who has ever purchased an Android tablet. Possibly the first person to buy an Android tablet period.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:58 JST mcc

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     Also on every tablet NOT made by lenovo, there's just plain a "disable taskbar" option. So why would anyone be asking about this.

     The closest to people asking about this are all Samsung users who say they fixed a problem similar to this with the "Good Lock" app. But that is Samsung exclusive?

     I do some checks with adb shell settings list (https://gist.github.com/mcclure/47341511a2b91a1e64eb8a61b2f9ac4a) I find two settings in the "system" namespace that look germane but aren't it, and three mystery settings in the "secure" namespace

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:59 JST mcc

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     As you can see in the video, closing + reopening the quick settings/notification shade doesn't fix it. Only reboot fixes it.

     Nowwww, I guess I should admit: While experimenting with this, I found it's not an out of box behavior of the edit button. Rather, it is specific to "disable animations" accessibility mode, which I run enabled. So this is *less* of a jaw-dropping QA process slip than it appears.

     But wow! "Enabling accessibility options can softlock the OS" is kinda a bad failure mode!!

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:59 JST mcc

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     UPDATE: Ahh… well as you can see I got my tablet problems fixed. This is great

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:52:59 JST mcc

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     Okay one thing I will say about this damn Tab M11 is that the speaker is actually *quite* good. This might just be my primary way of listening to Tidal now.

     Bass stood up mediocre at best to the Roni Size Matter of Fact test but eh, what do you expect

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:00 JST mcc

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     Based on that, despite again the form factor and weight distribution and price all being quite good, I currently recommend avoiding the Lenovo Tab M11, because in addition to their Android repackaging being very buggy in strange ways they just fucking delete shit out of Android at random, and how are you supposed to predict whether one of the things they deleted is one of the things you depend on?

     I guess tomorrow I'll try to see how much of a normal Android experience I can recreate using ADB.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:00 JST mcc

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     Ok, I'm complaining a lot but one last thing. I want to show you what I mean by Lenovo's patched Android being "Buggy".

     I bring down Quick Settings. There's a little "edit" button in the corner. I want to configure my Q.S., so I tap it (it's small, it takes a couple tries). This takes me to

     A gray line.

     Q.S. is replaced with a gray line. I can move it down and up but I can't go back. I can no longer access Q.S. or my notifications. The only way to get out of this state is to *reboot*. Really.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:01 JST mcc

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     Although I like this form factor better than the Fire I was considering getting instead (I wish it were 8x11 sized instead of 16x9 sized, but the larger size is better for my eyes), I'm at this moment considering returning this simply to avoid the gray bar at the bottom of the screen. Apparently if you buy a tablet from *Google*, there's a "disable taskbar" feature in the Settings. Lenovo, for no reason anyone understands, removed this. Check Google and you'll find hundreds of annoyed comments.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:01 JST mcc

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     This is surprising to me. Based on my experience with their Windows PCs, I assumed Lenovo would be a v basic Android OEM and not fuck with shit like, say, Samsung would. In fact, the Settings on this device claims it isn't even running Android, but "Lenovo ZUI 16.0.070 Stable". This appears to be just Android, but with pen support (the pen support is nice) and *multiple* missing features in the settings (not just the taskbar).

     I was expecting Lenovo to disappoint me but wasn't expecting *that*.

     Kuba Orlik repeated this.
   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:02 JST mcc

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     I. Want. To. Read. Books. This tablet is not a computer. This tablet is a book. My family has purchased books which are locked in the Amazon ecosystem. I want to read the books using a book interface, that is, I want a rectangle with words and/or images on it. I don't want a rounded rect or a circle. I don't want holes in my book. I don't want it to be defaced with black marks, or blank gray boxes containing blank white boxes, or a little bar containing the time. I just want a book.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:02 JST mcc

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     How much of a problem this is depends on what app I'm in. Kindle (left), blessedly, puts black bars at the top and bottom and disables the clock bar and anti-navigation bar at the bottom, so I get what I want: a rectangle.. But say, Shonen Jump (right) doesn't, so I get a jangle of bars of various sizes and colors, and the screenshot doesn't capture this but the top bar has a clock, battery, wifi strength, and for no reason whatsoever, three dots and a triangle (these do nothing)

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:03 JST mcc

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     So here's where it gets bugfuck. Unable to use the nav bar because Google has decided it must randomly move around as a minigame, I sadly enable gestures.

     A gray bar appears at the bottom of my screen.

     To show me where to do the gestures.

     I only??? Enabled??? Gestures???? In the first place?????? To make a gray bar at the bottom of the screen go away???????????

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:03 JST mcc

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     Why is this here??? No, I know why this is here. It's here because the iPhone has it. The iPhone put at the bar at the bottom of the screen, and the execs at Google who decide what goes in Android don't *use* Android, they have iPhones, so the only direction anyone on Android gets is "make it look like my iPhone". And once it looks like their iPhones, they have no further extra concerns, such as "is it pleasant to use?" "Do the users mind a permanent, pointless gray mark defacing their screen?"

     Kuba Orlik repeated this.
   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:04 JST mcc

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     Sources on Internet claim under Settings->Display there's a setting to turn off "Taskbar". It's not present on my system. So I think: Maybe I can just remove all the items from the bar. I find settings for "show recent apps in taskbar" and "recommended apps in taskbar". I disable them. That leaves only the "quick launch" bar from the home screen. I try removing all the icons from that.

     *The quick launch bar, and the "taskbar", grow a noninteractive gray square in the space where apps would go*

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:04 JST mcc

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     So I have a non-optional bar at the bottom of the screen. What is the purpose of the bar? To contain a noninteractive gray square. Why is the noninteractive gray square there? Because otherwise the bar at the bottom of the screen would be empty. This is Android's Emotional Support Square.

     Meanwhile, the Android nav buttons, to accommodate this, move randomly between left, right & center. I cannot use the Android nav buttons, *critical for basic use of the device*, without looking at the screen.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:04 JST mcc

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     In my entirely sincere, non-joking opinion, any GUI that I have to look at in order to use is a bad GUI.

     I should be able to use any computer program by just clicking and tapping on things, without having to look to see whether the things are there or not.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:05 JST mcc

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     Android 14 on this device is really, really, *really* janky. Like "this is a beta OS" levels of jank. I have found three different ways to get apps to go into GUI death, go in weird states where there are like gray lines that swiping causes the gray lines to move up or down, blank white boxes where interface elements otherwise would be

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:05 JST mcc

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     Here's my current bit of hell. The button bar has been changed into a "taskbar". The critical android navigation buttons get shunted to the side. (Which side is not consistent; it flips left and right at seeming random.) The additional space is taken up by little app icons, like the iOS dock.

     What makes this unacceptable is *the side shunted navigation buttons vary*. On the home screen, they're centered like normal.

     **The navigation buttons simulate physical buttons. They should NEVER move.**

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:06 JST mcc

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     The mystery tab is the "Entertainment Space". I can disable it by long pressing the home screen and going into home screen settings.

     Kuba Orlik repeated this.
   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:06 JST mcc

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     What fresh Flat hell is this

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:07 JST mcc

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     Also, what application do you, reading this, recommend for reading comics on an Android tablet, if those comics are "free floating" (PDFs from itch or something) and not part of a service? I am willing to listen to suggestions for other software to install on my PC local servers etc if it would support this (for example for loading the comics on) as long as it doesn't require an Apple product. This is an explicit invitation to be a reply person?

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:08 JST mcc

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     After rebooting, I have now successfully logged into Google. Now I want to turn off the Assistant.

     I go into the Google app.
     I tap the profile icon.
     I tap "settings".
     Nothing happens.

     I tap the profile app again.
     I tap the "settings" app again.
     Nothing happens.

     Often, when using Android products, I find myself wondering whether Google is aware that Android exists, or the device vendor aware that they are selling an Android device

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:08 JST mcc

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     What is this called, and how do I disable it? It is not "Discover". I already disabled that.

     Willing to resort to ADB but only if necessary.

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:09 JST mcc

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     Well, so far it's actually pretty good, except for the part when I tried logging in to my Google account and it crashed and left the device in a seemingly permanent inoperable state

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:53:09 JST mcc

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     - Can't log into Google; the Google service is fucked somehow. Need to reboot the tablet.

     - Can't reboot the tablet because in new Android, Google has hijacked the "turn off" button to launch the Assistant instead.

     - Can't turn off the Assistant because it won't let you turn off the Assistant unless you first sign into Google.