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1. Colby Russell (colby@kosmos.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 02:01:52 JST Colby Russell

   • Ashley Gullen

   An in-browser animation editor was posted to HN by @AshleyGullen. It's snappy and obvious that it's handcrafted JS, à la Photopea. Super obvious.

   An HNer asks about what UI framework it's using. The answer is "none", and the founder replies, saying so: "all written from the ground up in house". This is beyond the comprehension of another user who chimes in. @AshleyGullen has to step in and reiterate that they wrote it all.

   • Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • Colby Russell (colby@kosmos.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 02:02:00 JST Colby Russell

     in reply to

     Something is wrong in webdev. Why did this have to be reiterated? Why is it unfathomable? There is a whole class of developers working in the industry today who are completely convinced that the trendiest of toolchains and frameworks amount to irreducible complexity. I've seen them say so, and then—bizarrely—turn around and mention how something minifies to ~24K or whatever. There's a basic lack of rigor in the conventional wisdom and conversational standards applied within this milieu.

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 02:04:06 JST Adrian Cochrane

     in reply to

     @colby They weren't taught better by the education-recruitment industrial complex.

     Advocating good web practices amounts to reeducation, which many are resistant to.

   • Colby Russell (colby@kosmos.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 02:11:05 JST Colby Russell

     in reply to

     And finally, the prior art of the entire corpus of the JS powering Firefox (at least in the 1.x/2.x/3/4 era).

     There's no comparison. One of these sets contains folks who know how to write full-featured browser-based applications that just so happen to not also compromise the user experience, and one set that insists on clinging to the false promises of associated with today's most popular frameworks+development methodologies, on the basis that this constitutes industry best practice. Nuts!

   • Colby Russell (colby@kosmos.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 02:11:06 JST Colby Russell

     in reply to

     • Ashley Gullen

     Here's the conversation:

     <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35068526>

     @AshleyGullen's blog post is for the tool Construct Animate: <https://animate.construct.net/>

     Contrast with the open source but framework-hobbled and decidedly less snappy Wick Editor: <https://github.com/Wicklets/wick-editor>

     See also, the aforementioned Photopea, which similarly eschews with the conventional wisdom espoused by the self-appointed keepers of the sanctity of Modern JS "best" practices: <https://www.photopea.com/>

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.