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1. xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Thursday, 22-Aug-2024 05:13:03 JST xianc78

   There is a very simple way to have "walkable-cities" without any central planning or any of that 15-minute, smart-city crap. Just allow residential and commercial zones to mix. Allow people with big enough houses to run shops in them.

   I know a lot of local stores and restaurants that were renovated from former houses. Just remove the walls between the kitchen and living room, and have the bedrooms be employee offices then you will have enough space to run a store.

   You can take that one step further. Why not have a house with a store attached? A garage can be converted into a small shop or you can have the other side of a duplex be a store. Japan has tons of houses with stores attached. There are even apartment building with something like a 7/11 at the bottom.

   See? A simple solution that doesn't involve demolishing entire towns and rebuilding them or building expensive railways that would require evicting a bunch of people and destroying their homes just to make room. Car-dependent cities are a result of central planning, not the other way around.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Thursday, 22-Aug-2024 06:25:48 JST xianc78

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     • santiago (insufrible)

     @santiagolmtz European and Asian cities were developed before zoning laws were a thing so it makes sense.

   • santiago (insufrible) (santiagolmtz@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Aug-2024 06:25:49 JST santiago (insufrible)

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     @xianc78 Pretty much everywhere except the USA does this
   • :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 22-Aug-2024 06:33:02 JST :meru_B: b e a r d

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     @xianc78 they have started doing this sort of thing downtown where I live actually. They're pretty expensive, but yeah it's like housing on top of stores. Works pretty well.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Thursday, 22-Aug-2024 11:52:32 JST xianc78

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     • :meru_B: b e a r d

     @beardalaxy Yeah, we have a "town square" for a while now and it has both stores and apartments.

   • That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 22-Aug-2024 11:58:07 JST That Would Be Telling

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     • santiago (insufrible)

     @xianc78 @santiagolmtz This pattern was also fairly common in the Boston area in the 1980s, presumably because zoning wasn't a thing or wasn't strict when lots of older housing and shops next door or built in below were built. Also see some of it generally in older towns and cities in the middle of the country, is also a thing when doing "Main Stree" renovations and the like.

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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 01:33:10 JST xianc78

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     • shitposter mongoliensis

     @GD5426 @skylar That problem can easily be solved by enforcing the NAP. No zoning required.

   • shitposter mongoliensis (gd5426@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 01:33:11 JST shitposter mongoliensis

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     @skylar @xianc78 it was moreso some rando couldn't just build a factory in a poor neighborhood and give people heavy metal poisoning iirc
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 01:33:12 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @xianc78 zoning laws are good, actually
     they didn't just spring up out of nowhere due to some grand conspiracy from big zoning, but because a bunch of people running businesses out of their homes kept doing shit that irritated their neighbors, like making a shitload of noise and having customers parking all over the street
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 01:37:04 JST xianc78

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     • shitposter mongoliensis

     @GD5426 @skylar But in all seriousness, I was talking about mixing residential and commercial zones, not mixing residential and industrial zones.