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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 10-Aug-2024 12:28:26 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   • Hollyjollytailspike
   • burner

   @monsterislandcolonizer @burner They changed the numbers in 2020 or so, so the T480 became the T490 right before it was the T14 or something. That's a rough line where it makes enough sence. The T-480/T580, P72/P73 all share about the same size, pluggable RAM and a standard SSD.

   The T series have a hot-swappable battery in the back you can change out. The T490 got rid of the ram slots and soldered one in, IIRC. I think it may have a ram slot you can plug in still. Get one of those with the hottest i7 you can find and it will be a quad core good enough to do usual email, browsing, and stream to a single monitor at least. past that it can kind of middle along but if you want serious work of any kind I wouldn't really recommend it, I ended up getting rid of mine, it would bog down w/ clock issues. T580 is the same as a 480 but it has a 15" screen and a full-size numberpad. These are fine work computers but the screens aren't much to write home about unless you drop extra. Good coffee laptops, at least, since the keyboard is easily replaced (and they certainly need it sometimes. a buddy had to replace his 4x at last count, not sure why. His machine is cursed)

   If you're willing to carry the heavy brick machine the P series is basically a T-480/580 with a Xeon, extra plugs, and better performance. 17 inch screens, too. Better cooling, and you don't quite have the tranny price increase of the T-series thinkpads. Add a glass trackpad if you want it to be nice and upscale.

   The thing to watch out for was the ports: There was an error from the factory that overwrote the chips so your computer w/ 2 thunderbolt ports will only have one. Sure, in theory it was fixed w/ an update but I've seen a couple of these from OEM windows refurbishers that gave up the ghost in a few months of ownership, meaning the update was never installed. That's unacceptable to me, since you have one port for charging and high-bandwidth in that case, so now you have to get a pass-thru dongle on the road, or run USBA. It's shitty, and the reddit type for a lot of the thinkpads makes them about 20% more than they're worth.

   • Hollyjollytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:00:32 JST Hollyjollytailspike

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @burner That's a lot of info, thanks
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:00:32 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @monsterislandcolonizer @burner overbuy on performance, don't listen to autistic IT guys because they have time to futz around making a ramshackle assemblage of linux drivers work for every day tasks. And old machines basically need linux to really be quick enough to not drive you crazy

     It's a bit like hypermilers telling people shopping for cars that the ONLY good pick is the old 2003 honda insight, not realizing they're hyperfocused on autistic criteria that don't mean shit to someone with a life

     It's great how easy it is to replace stuff on thinkpads, but I don't like how often I had to replace them.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:05:22 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Hollyjollytailspike
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     @monsterislandcolonizer @burner My last home comp was 2013, and I didn't replace it until this year. Got a lot of life out of it, BECAUSE I overbought and splurged on something w/ enough performance to age gracefully. 3.5 ghz xeon and 64 gb ram back then was smoking, it's still...okay at least today. Now that they're more portable I no longer need to split the desk/lap mission though. I can just hook up a laptop to 5 monitors and call it good

     BUT it all comes down to mission, normal life watching youtube, emails, spreadsheets can be done with a 4-core intel machine for a while longer. It will be sluggish compared to newer & better but you'll only notice if you actually use the newer. It's like owning your mom's accord coupe as a teen, that's "FAST" to you, and you have no idea what 400 hp and beyond even feels like

   • Hollyjollytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:05:23 JST Hollyjollytailspike

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @burner My current laptop is from 2011 and is totally unusable
     Something from 2019 would be a significant improvement even without Linux
   • burner (burner@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:16:21 JST burner

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     • Hollyjollytailspike
     the only new laptops that aren't disposable trash are probably frameworks, and they're quite pricey
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:16:21 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @burner @monsterislandcolonizer It's funny how all their media is flooded with brow squatlings in the orient telling them "sar we nid dis campudah burry burry much plz bring compuda to india make it cheep we need cheep good laptop to make good job and move canada USA plz mistah framework"

     Really hurts my image of them that it's not JUST pajeets in the comments, but their ownership, leadership, engineering....hard to get excited when they're running the show.

     I'm giving it a few years though, the project could easily sink, could swim and build enough momentum to improve on its cost, faults so far. It's promising in any case....just made by jeets and chinks if you go by their media

   • Hollyjollytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:33:31 JST Hollyjollytailspike

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     @burner @WashedOutGundamPilot I just need it to work, and not be expensive
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 05:33:31 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Hollyjollytailspike

     @monsterislandcolonizer Well what's your mission:

     Travel - footprint, a 15" T is too big for ULCC aircraft

     Weight limitations in carrying it

     Connect extra monitors?

     Around-the-house computers don't have to worry about battery, size & weight constraints, but those are big deals on the road

     Peripherals? More ports = fewer dongles

     HDDs external? Got a thunderbolt dock to handle them? if not you'll want to plug in directly, and those hi-speed ports go fast

     Battery life? Travel duration, working in airports, blah blah. I found the lenovos pretty thirsty in order to perform how I want, but I have a lot of shit to plod through

     Screen matter? Thinkpad biz models look like shit, the ones they gave us before were 1080 and it was just gritty. I didn't think I'd mind but over time I grew to dislike it, you can't have a huge canvas w/ super fine display like the fancy ones

     Then the workload: What programs, what peripherals do you need for work, how many monitor connectors do you want, do you need lots of ram or graphics support for CAD, video editing, or games

     I still like the thinkpads, if I were getting just a beast to leave at home and enjoy I think I'd be pretty content with getting a P73. 17.3" screen, good keyboard, number pad, even an 8-core i9 9th gen...those will be pricier though. Funny thing about thinks is that they have a second life in resale - once a good model drops cheap enough, it can get a second wind when the reddit trannies start to use it, which helps push prices back up.

     But I haven't shopped since last year, I was eyeing one of these for my next notch up, it was only the monitor limitations that kept me away from them. I started with the 480 and wasn't blown away, ended up outgroing it pretty quick. Useful biz laptop but not if you need graphics, recording, demanding jobs. They're cheaper though. T480(modular battery, ram, easy mods) the or the slim T490 and T495, both of which get soldered ram and built-in battery at a smaller footprint IIRC.

     https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p73/22ws2wpwp73

     https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P73/ThinkPad_P73_Spec.PDF#:~:text=Supports%20up%20to%205%20independent%20displays%20via%20native,%28up%20to%204K%4060Hz%29%20or%20ThunderboltTM%20%28up%20to%205K%4060Hz%29

     I don't mind shopping for these because I did a bunch of thinkpad research when people talked me into them. They're probably better than the other windows stuff from acer, HP, dell at most price points. I'll see if I can find more links. But again, it's all in the mission, and what you want to do with it

   • Hollyjollytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 06:48:12 JST Hollyjollytailspike

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot Hmmm I will def be buying refurb from e bay if I buy one
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Aug-2024 06:48:12 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @monsterislandcolonizer I think it's a crapshoot either way, one of the bum units I know of was bought for $370 last year, guy thought he'd be safe since it was a shiny, microsoft refurbisher. Physically it was great, but the second thunderbolt port was burned out already, IDK if he still has it, he said it was having charging issues on the remaining port

     I like redundancy. A lot of the laptops w/ 3-4 USB-c ports give you a lot of options for hooking up, monitors, power