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1. Siberian (sknvlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:15 JST Siberian

   • Yogthos

   @yogthos The danger of Russia was also joked about at one time

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     @adiz @sknvlv none of that history or being a part of “collective” matters. What matters is the agreements signed after its dissolution and the guarantees they were supposed to provide.
     
     Otherwise, you can dig the same way into the history of any nation and go into redrawing any maps you want, since regardless of where you are, somebody else lived there before you.
   • Siberian (sknvlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:09 JST Siberian

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     @adiz Because Americans have many friends and relatives in Canada. Very close culture, the same language, a common hockey championship. But perhaps the best example is if England attacks Wales.

   • 防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:09 JST 防空識別區

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     @sknvlv@mastodon.social I think that is a pretty feeble distinction that doesn't much matter. If anything, I would think Russia and Ukraine's similarity and shared history, recently being part of a greater collective whole, actually gives more justification to the Russian incursion.

   • Siberian (sknvlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:11 JST Siberian

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     @adiz If the U.S. attacks Canada, only then will there be an accurate comparison with this war. And about the USSR, of course, you may not agree, but I lived there, and I know the history of that country well.

   • 防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:11 JST 防空識別區

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     @sknvlv@mastodon.social Why Canada? Why not Cuba or Grenada or Panama or Nicaragua? Why not coups and assassinations in Guatemala or the Dominican Republic? Or Chile, Argentina, and Bolivia? Why not constant aggression and sabotage against countries like Venezuela? Why just Canada?

   • Siberian (sknvlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:12 JST Siberian

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     @adiz You write that the United States did a lot of things wrong in the same cold war. Yes it is. But the USSR was simply built on deaths against humanity.

   • 防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:12 JST 防空識別區

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     @sknvlv@mastodon.social I disagree with your claim about the USSR, but regardless, that's not what I was trying to say (that "the United States did a lot of things wrong in the same Cold War")---what I was explaining, or demonstrating, is that if the tables were turned, the United States would perform exactly as Russia is in Ukraine. And we know this to be true, because the United States has responded similarly or the same in multiple instances throughout history with the same mentality and justifications as Russia is today.

   • Siberian (sknvlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:13 JST Siberian

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     @adiz @yogthos When both sides say I agree. always both sides. question of degree of guilt. And also in the fact that one side does a lot of things wrong, while the other simply built its existence on crimes against humanity

   • 防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:13 JST 防空識別區

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     • Yogthos

     @sknvlv@mastodon.social I don't understand what you're saying in this post. Can you elaborate? @yogthos@mas.to

   • Siberian (sknvlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:14 JST Siberian

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     • Yogthos

     @yogthos poor Putin, he was forced by the United States. what else will you tell me about my country?
     the only thing the United States is guilty of here is the underestimation of Putin's danger. in that they turned a blind eye to his crimes.

   • 防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:14 JST 防空識別區

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     • Yogthos

     @sknvlv@mastodon.social America would respond in exactly the same way, and feel completely justified in doing so, if the tables were turned and the same process of geopolitical events was playing out in North/South America + Yucatan. We know this to be true, because the United States did exactly this multiple times during the Cold War---assassinations, coups, and both successful and unsuccessful attempts at military invasions. @yogthos@mas.to

   • Yogthos (yogthos@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:15 JST Yogthos

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     @sknvlv and the west continuously escalating tensions eventually created conditions for a war, now exact same story is playing out with China. Seems like US just can't learn.

   • 防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 06:23:37 JST 防空識別區

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     • 💀💀💀 :0080: c̷̨̢̛̲̼̞̞͓̹͚̗̼͓͚͖͒̔̓̃̈̋̂́̏̆̐̐̈́̉͘͜ȑ̴̫͔͂̌̔̆̓͛͗́͐̍̃́̆ÿ̷̤̺̳̖͖͚͈́̄́͌͒͂͊͗̄̔̚p̶̢̧͇̞̯͍͇̤̖͖̙̫̪͋̏̃̃͗̎͜͝t̶͖̉̽̐̇i̴̭̜̼͖̬̽̀͆̃̓̂̚͝ͅc̸̡͙̪͎̫͚̫̘̱͚͔̫̣̣̒̃̋͜͝ 💀💀💀 :verified:

     @newt@stereophonic.space I agree, like the guarantees that NATO would not push further East and that the affairs of former Soviet states wouldn't be interfered in or molested. @sknvlv@mastodon.social