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1. xue (xue@collapsitarian.io)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:30 JST xue

   • Jeff Cliff
   Old bearded man d e s t r o y s @jeffcliff with one simple website entry
   https://stallman.org/articles/dont-watch-covid-tv.html
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:26 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • SassHole
     "It has become so unfashionable to speak
     up about the human aspects of communism
     that Americans who feel deeply about com-
     munist oppression have too often been des-
     ignated as fanatics or right-wingers. We saw
     a sad example of this in American newspa-
     pers this week. Press accounts of the unfor-
     tunate and deplorable attack that was made
     on Premier Kosygin in Ottawa, labeled the
     Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation as a
     quote, "right-wing group." I totally reject
     such a label, and you should reject it. Are
     the freedom fighters right wing because they
     lived under communism and fought to free
     themselves? Are they right wing because
     they want the world to know what life under
     communism is like?
     
     This convenient kind of labeling is dan-
     gerous to our society. I am very far from
     being right wing, or even a conservative Con-
     gressman. Yet, I have been fighting for nine
     years in Congress and in my home commu-
     nity to make Americans think about the
     meaning of communism from the standpoint
     of human freedom."
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:27 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • SassHole
     "In the 1970's it is insufficient simply to at-
     tack or defend Communism. We must know
     it: what moral, economic, mllitary forces,
     what psychological modes hold tt together;
     what new concepts, meeaasures see the light
     of day, what sort of language the Commu-
     nists use, that is understood differently by
     them and by us.
     
     While there is no longer a single strong
     authoritarian leader who speaks for and
     rules over all Communists, with its present
     polycentrism, Communism presents an equal-
     ly great threat to free societies. The aim of
     Communism is still the domination of the
     world by elimination of free political sys-
     tems and their transformation into funda-
     mentally totalitarian Communist rule. The
     leaders of Communism reconfirm this goal
     day by day.
     
     Communist strategy, 1n order to achieve
     this goal may have been changed. The nature
     of confrontation may be shifted from . a
     primarily military arena to the ideological
     battlefield. We here in the West are much bet-
     ter prepared to cope with the articulate mili-
     tary threat than with the shapeless and
     deceptive tactics of ideological warfare.
     
     The realization of the consequences of
     nuclear warfare has increased the prudence
     of the Communists leaders, but has not made
     them any more ready to abide the U.N. Dec-
     laration of Human Rights or the Atlantic
     Charter than they did earlier. There is the
     problem of internal discontent in commu-
     nist countries, moreover, which makes the
     Soviets less adventurous; however the West
     has not tried to use this discontent to force
     the Communists to implement the very prin-
     ciples Of the two mentioned documents and
     help restore self-determination among those
     nations which are deprived this right by their
     Soviet rulers.
     
     Instead a staunch refusal to exacerbate
     the problems has been expressed. One can-
     not ignore the dehumanizing, aggressive
     ideology of the Communist powers and their
     military institution which threaten the rest
     of the world. One cannot dream of coexist-
     ence and react only episodically to crises.
     Systematic long term planning-based on
     the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights and
     the Atlantic Charter-is needed to help hu-
     manize the governments of the oppressed
     nations and restore lost freedoms in coun-
     tries now occupied by foreign troops and
     foreign ideologies"
     
     compare and contrast this to
     
     2000: "you're either with us or against us"
     or
     'it's not OK to even say "it's OK to be white" '
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:27 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • SassHole
     > while South Vietnam seems better able to defend itself against communism than at any time in the past two decades.
     Oct 29, 1971
     
     lol
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:28 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • SassHole
     exactly
     
     whereas here i am reading a 600 pages of 1971 US senate proceedings transcriptions
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:28 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • SassHole
     which, btw is super interesting -- great historical deep dives
     
     do they still do this?? Is the US senate still this erudite?
   • SassHole (sasshole@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:29 JST SassHole

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @xue Most people seem to only have the attention span of an article headline.
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:30 JST Jeff Cliff

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     Except, I don't get my covid information from TV.
     
     Most normal people *can* read the things you really want to know about Covid-19 in 10 or 20 minutes a day, I agree. People who want to have some expertise can read more, like anything else.
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 04-Mar-2023 05:19:52 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • Jeff Cliff
     • SassHole
     meanwhile
     
     "Tax the rich, feed the poor
     'Til there are no rich no more"
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTUsFm0BAu8&list=PL0KBVEO7tItctea5vWYXzzgIYRrr9yrct&index=3