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1. NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Mar-2023 05:58:40 JST NEETzsche

   • Senator Armstrong
   • HSTG
   @Senator_Armstrong @HSTG "counter signal"
   
   Here's the thing with political ideologies: to no small extent, they're often characterized after the fact. That is, what they are emerges naturally, and people to to systematize them after the fact. This happened with fascism, actually. Much like the soul, pretty much everybody knows what you're talking about, until you try to offer a precise definition.
   
   I get into this same conversation with libertarians -- I mean real ones, not just rightoids like myself who want his taxes to go down and to just be allowed to grill -- because their shit is just as contrived.
   
   Here's a detached view of WW2, focusing on the Nazis:
   
   Nazism emerged as a populist right wing movement to counteract odious Weimar decadence and the Treaty of Versailles. They took control of the national government, and not long afterward got embroiled in a literally ancient ethno-religious beef with Jews. In that mess, they ended up at war with most of the rest of the world, the true cause of this being disputed; some claiming Hitler was nuts while others claim that Jews orchestrated this. The Nazi military was well-trained and had high morale, but they got overwhelmed in a few short years and the German people found themselves enslaved indefinitely.
   
   This is the kind of objective, detached view of the past you need to take if you want to go forward. This movement wasn't for us. Wrong continent. Wrong century. Learn from it. But don't worship these people. Which, yes, is what you're doing here
   • Man of Dog (kuon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Mar-2023 05:58:40 JST Man of Dog

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     • Senator Armstrong
     • HSTG
     @NEETzsche @Senator_Armstrong @HSTG That is kind of strange that you don't see a connection between the conditions of Weimar and their hatred of jews and think that this was some unrelated feud that happened afterwards. Hitler wasn't playing Secret Hitler.
     
     Also the reason people can't define fascism is because it's been used as a pejorative to describe everything liberals and leftists don't like for an entire century. These are basically the things that define a nation as Fascist, but many of them were different in substantial ways. These are
     
     >dictatorship
     >modernist
     >nationalist
     >state capitalist
     >strong standing military
     >romantic
     >anti-liberal
     >anti-communist
     
     I should also mention that some historians don't even consider Nazi Germany fascist, with how populist it was and how dissimilar it was from other fascist nations, which outside of the mentioned elements were themselves quite different from each other.