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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 15:32:11 JST Aral Balkan

   @Chiquidrakula It means that any Linux distribution that ships with Wayland by default (any Linux distribution that ships the default configuration of the two major display environments – GNOME and KDE – which ship with Wayland as default by default) like Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc., are inaccessible to disabled people who need a screen reader in order to use a computer.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 20:52:44 JST Aral Balkan

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     • DocRekd

     @docRekd @Chiquidrakula What’s the FUD I’m spreading, exactly?

     KDE ships with Wayland by default also. Orca is broken under Wayland. Hence Orca is broken by default under KDE. Hence KDE ships with a broken screen reader by default just like GNOME.

     If there’s a factual error in the statements above, please correct me and I will revise my understanding of the state of affairs.

   • DocRekd (docrekd@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 20:52:45 JST DocRekd

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     @Chiquidrakula @aral kde has an option to let x11 app to act as screenlogger, which is what breaks accessibility, even on wayland. Please don't spread fud

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 00:42:08 JST Aral Balkan

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     • DocRekd

     @docRekd @Chiquidrakula What planet are you living on?

     macOS comes with Voiceover.

     Windows (*spit*) comes with Narrator.

     You’re talking out of your ass.

   • DocRekd (docrekd@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 00:42:09 JST DocRekd

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     @Chiquidrakula @aral
     Neither Mac nor windows have screen readers installed by default, so no OS is accessible by the blind out of the box. They all require *some* configuration by some sighted person beforehand.
     If the configuration to enable the screen reader required the editing of arcane config files then I would agree with you, but it still as easy as installing orca and toggling a checkbox in the setting.
     Reasonable for disabling a security feature

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 21:21:20 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Robert-André Mauchin

     @eclipseo @Chiquidrakula A screen reader isn’t a passive app that just reads what’s on the screen. It is controlled by a person who tells it what to read and uses it to navigate through an operating system, apps, and documents interactively. What makes Orca broken on any Linux distribution that ships with Wayland by default is that you cannot control the screen reader because the global key you use to activate it doesn’t work. (And it’s not a trivial fix; it requires major work to fix properly.)

   • Robert-André Mauchin (eclipseo@framapiaf.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 21:21:21 JST Robert-André Mauchin

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     @aral

     @Chiquidrakula

     Are you sure though? I am on Fedora 40 KDE, so with Wayland, and I accidentally started Orca last week and it started reading me buttons and stuff with a terrible voice.