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@augustus @lain What do you think is a replacement? We've spoken about this for years periodically and I don't think I've ever figured it out.
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@lain @augustus What do you mean by them wanting to be a moderate Islamic country?
Last I remember you were in Germany. Idk if you're being tongue in cheek about the immigrant problem or if you've moved somewhere else, but that doesn't sound right from an American perspective and we're having the same religious issues, just lagging a few decades behind Europe.
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@J @augustus i live in an islamic country right next to a mosque, so i'm surrounded by people who take their religious ideas rather seriously. i think a big problem that the west has is that they essentially want to be like a moderate islamic country, but just without islam, and that's not a very compelling vision, given the very weak christianities that are in power.
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@lain @augustus What I mean is, modern American spirituality seems to be a fusion of Eastern mysticism, Western occultism, and a very generic strand of Jesus mythology, but all of these things are decoupled from both institution and metaphysics, and the ethics of this hybrid are subservient to the whims of the ruling class, whoever those people might be.
There's very little participation involved, is what makes it so strange, just observation. People watch their beliefs on a screen like a movie, metaphorically. There's no striving to be anything greater outside a strict economic sense, which was always a goal for even the lowest class. You worked toward the divine from wherever you were, even if you had a vague commoner perspective on what that meant (palace in the clouds.)
It seems at some point we have to lapse back into actual participation that has sway in the world. It seems like the seams are trying to break, with the rise of new religious movements over the past 200 years. Theosophy, Wicca, Neopaganism, whatever. More recently even niche conversions back to Trad Catholicism and other similar Christian branches.
But somehow even though these niche movements have a small amount of sway, they don't seem to get anywhere, they just cycle through a consistently small amount of young men over and over again.
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@J @augustus i think it's a lot of different questions in one. both catholic and some on protestant theology is enough to give lifelong grinding of the gears to any smart autist, but i dont see them capturing the masses again any time soon.
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