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1. xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 06:58:58 JST xianc78

   I agree that PC is better than console and that consoles are basically dead at this point, but I fucking hate the culture behind the "PC Master Race" with a passion.

   Why? Because they are the most entitled, spoiled, rotten pieces of shit in the gaming community. They are like those fast-food customers who place the most ridiculous special orders, or the upper middle class to rich people who can only watch movies in a home theater set-up. They won't play a game unless they can play it on max settings with the most perfect frame-rate.

   This is also one of the many factors that is preventing the "year of the Linux desktop". Even if they game already has a Linux port that is perfectly playable, I know a lot of people who out-right refuse to play on Linux because "the game runs better on Windows" (and by "better" they mean only a slight framerate increase). Let's see if that attitude still stands when Windows goes full SaaS and requires you to be micro-chipped in order to activate it.

   I could go on. I also don't like their obsession with RGB lighting on everything and making their computers look like they were designed by aliens. How are you supposed to sleep at night if you are someone who keeps their computer in their bedroom?

   I've been PC gaming since I started gaming, and I have always been perfectly content with a mid-ranged PC or even a toaster if I'm just sticking with indies and emulators. No RGB lights, no fancy keyboards or mice, no curved monitors. I really wouldn't have it any other way outside the inability to emulate 7th gen games.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 07:49:59 JST xianc78

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     • BigDawg

     @BigDawg869789
     >which keeps needing new parts to play newer games released in a few years.

     Not really, depending on the settings.

   • BigDawg (bigdawg869789@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 07:50:00 JST BigDawg

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     @xianc78 Only thing keeping people from giving up on consoles is the fact the simple fact that consoles are still a third or fourth of the cost of a pc, which keeps needing new parts to play newer games released in a few years.
     
     Only reason I have a ps5 is because I waited, bought one for $370, sold the old ps4 for $120, so it cost me only $250. Ill take that over a pc that cost over $1000
   • :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 10:27:33 JST :meru_B: b e a r d

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     @xianc78 pc master race isn't entirely true these days anyway tbh. mostly because devs don't know what they're fucking doing and every new game stutters like crazy unless you play it on a console.

   • Berkeley Berkman (berkberkman@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 10:44:25 JST Berkeley Berkman

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     @beardalaxy @xianc78 The PC mustard ricers seem to be on par with those mobile gaming whales. The key difference is that it's easier to find out which is which thanks to their gaming towers.
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   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 10:50:53 JST Pawlicker

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     • BigDawg
     @BigDawg869789 @xianc78 you don't need to fiddle to make fortnite work
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   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 10:50:54 JST Zergling_man

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     • BigDawg
     @PurpCat @BigDawg869789 @xianc78 Make private servers great again
   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:05:15 JST Zergling_man

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     @xianc78 It's called the mustard race because consoles need to ketchup.
     
     Also, the reason PC is master race is specifically because you can run whatever the hell you want and get away with it. It's only because toasters can game that it can be superior.
     By the same logic, games that allow you to play with people on other systems basically allow consoles to join the master race.
     They still suck, but they don't suck in a way that matters to anybody else.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:05:15 JST xianc78

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     • Zergling_man

     @Zergling_man I'm talking about the type of PC gamers who will only play games if their PCs allow them to play on max settings. The types who refuse to switch to Linux because their games run slightly better on Windows.

     I primarily game on PC, but I'm not some snob that insists that I should play only on the cutting edge hardware with max settings.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:18:30 JST xianc78

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     • BigDawg
     • practically without merit

     @PurpCat @pwm @BigDawg869789 At least some Falcom devs from the 80s and 90s also worked at retail, but that's because they were also a computer shop at one time.

   • practically without merit (pwm@gh0st.live)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:18:31 JST practically without merit

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     • BigDawg
     @PurpCat @xianc78 @BigDawg869789 Nigga, who ASKED for you to put all this BULLSHIT in there and fuck with everyone's ability to play your fucking dogshit ass game, anyway? The 20 fucking perverts who lock them selves in their goon cave to learn to bing bing wahoo in fuckdickshootsmcfartwaffle2k24 0.01ms faster that every other person on earth? That's your fucking market for competitive games. It's not the NFL, no one cares if it's not rigged (bad example but I digress). Make a good-faith effort to tamp down on cheating and then fucking quit. Don't make an inferior product in the pursuit of the literal most impossible windmill to ever be tilted at: computer security. You can't win, no one can, and especially not the fucking retards that work at AAA sloppa COD factories.
     
     Jesus fuck die already.
   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:18:31 JST Pawlicker

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     • BigDawg
     • practically without merit
     @pwm @xianc78 @BigDawg869789 i want every game dev to be forced to work at mcdonalds
   • KaiserKitty (kaiserkitty@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:26:42 JST KaiserKitty

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     @xianc78 Games literally run better on linux if they have a proper port of proton works fine lol. The only games which consistently dont work on linux are MP games with rootkit tier anti cheat and VR. As a single player gamer gaming on linux is 100% viable even with modern games. Most "gamers" just arent techies and MS has speant years slandering Linux as this scary thing where you have to code your own PC and shit. Your average gamer probably doesnt even know that linux has a DE lol. I shocked my informatics friends by showing them how clean KDE plasma is lol to them linux was literally just a command line.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:37:56 JST xianc78

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     • KaiserKitty

     @KaiserKitty I never made that associated even back when I used Windows. As a kid, Linux was presented to me as the mythical operating system that I always hear about but never see anyone use. I had no idea what it looked like until my brother tried an Ubuntu Live DVD.

     The most common complaint I hear about Linux from Windows PC gamers is that installing programs is not what they are used to. I guess EXEs are just more user friendly than packages.

   • KaiserKitty (kaiserkitty@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:51:46 JST KaiserKitty

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     @xianc78 Installing games is the same basically since steam handles it all for you. You just need to enable one setting and proton auto starts all games without even a Wine Prompt showing up. The only big intial hurdle is learning how to get non free drivers and steam on your distro but in any mainstream distro its just a matter of adding a few repos (which many distros even auto mate at start up like fedora opens up with a button you can click to enable the major third party repos).
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:51:46 JST xianc78

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     • KaiserKitty

     @KaiserKitty Not every game is on Steam though.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:54:23 JST xianc78

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     • Berkeley Berkman

     @berkberkman @beardalaxy System76 sells empty cases, but they don't provide bays for optical drives.

     https://system76.com/components

   • :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:54:24 JST :meru_B: b e a r d

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     • Berkeley Berkman

     @berkberkman @xianc78 i think it's easiest to tell who actually knows what they're doing or not by looking at their PC. most of the flashy ones with extremely good cable management are pre-built.

   • Berkeley Berkman (berkberkman@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 11:54:24 JST Berkeley Berkman

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     • :meru_B: b e a r d
     @beardalaxy @xianc78 Too many cases have that tempered glass for showing off those parts. While I understand why they're used, I'd be happier seeing old computer cases that just have a good airflow and plentiful space for parts. There's also been some computer parts with anime-related stuff on them lately.
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   • applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2: (applejack@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 12:13:47 JST applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2:

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     @xianc78 You could make the case that Linux is to Windows what PCs are to consoles. An easy, locked-down experience, that lets you play but only play by their rules

     I think you're taking a caricature too seriously and acting like the Linux version of what you're complaining about

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 01:20:12 JST xianc78

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     @applejack I tried getting my younger brother to use Linux for a while. We had some old custom-built PC that my brother won at some auction at the place he worked at the time. There was no OS pre-installed so I just installed Linux Mint on it.

     My younger brother used that computer for a few years until he decided to build a custom PC of his own. He decided to ditch Linux and instead use a pirated copy of Windows 10 that his friend gave him. He thought that it would be better because he thought the games world run better on Linux though in reality the problems he had with Linux was most likely from the old hardware and not the OS itself.

   • BigDawg (bigdawg869789@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 02:20:36 JST BigDawg

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     @xianc78 My only hope of affording a decent pc is buying one pre built or used off ebay. Too stoopid to build one myself :smug_dog:
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 02:20:36 JST xianc78

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     • BigDawg

     @BigDawg869789 It's just as easy as putting together a shelf. You can find some set-ups online that list all the parts they used as well as how to put it together.

     If you really can't put together a PC yourself, a lot of companies allow you to specify the parts you want, if you order online. System76 for example sells PCs with base specs, but allows you to customize for more powerful specs, but they only sell computers with Linux on them.

     https://system76.com/desktops

     As for used stuff. People are selling their custom-built PCs all the time. Just be sure that it's labeled as a gaming PC and that it's somewhat current gen, otherwise, you might be buying some office PC from 2009 (a lot of schools seems to be dumping their 15+ year old computers these days). You can also visit local college campuses and check for any ads on the bulletin boards to see if any student is selling their old PCs.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 10:56:43 JST xianc78

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     • BigDawg

     @BigDawg869789 Fine. Just get some pre-build from Alienware. Hopefully, ~$1,300 is affordable enough for you.

   • BigDawg (bigdawg869789@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 10:56:44 JST BigDawg

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     @xianc78 You underestimate my retardation, mortal :smug_dog2:
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 11:55:38 JST xianc78

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     • BigDawg

     @BigDawg869789 They are the only pre-builds I know of that are dedicated to gaming, outside of ones from System76, but they only offer Linux PCs and I don't know if you would want that.

   • BigDawg (bigdawg869789@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 11:55:39 JST BigDawg

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     @xianc78 Isnt alienware kinda meh? I mean compared to others of the same price? Saw a few negative reviews of them but idk, never bought any alienware stuff
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   • Berkeley Berkman (berkberkman@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 12:48:52 JST Berkeley Berkman

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     • BigDawg
     @BigDawg869789 @xianc78 I recommend against buying Alienware desktops longterm. Save up for System76. Maintaining an Alienware prebuilt computer has been nothing but trouble for me. A lot of them aren't easy to replace since their motherboards are unique (in a bad way); you can't just put a random SSD, RAM module, or GPU without any problems from their computers (even if there could be support). The AIO cooler is also a pain to deal with over time, especially if you forget to clean out any dust. Those System76 motherboards on the other hand are simpler to repair. There's documentation available, too.
     https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/thelio-mira-r1.0/internal-overview.html
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 11-Jun-2024 13:01:22 JST xianc78

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     • BigDawg

     @berkberkman @BigDawg869789 One more thing about System76 is that they are one of the few hardware manufacturers that disables the Intel Management Engine which is a universal hardware backdoor that is present in all Intel CPUs since 2008. Granted, it is ultimately a band-aid solution as you are still giving money to Intel, who are most likely either going to eventually blacklist System76 as a customer or make it harder to disable the backdoor in future processors, but it's better than nothing.