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1. Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:20 JST Owl

   Best Souls girl don't @ me.

   • Xeraser (xeraser@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:14 JST Xeraser

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     • Jens_Rasmussen
     @Jens_Rasmussen @Owl @MeBigbrain
     >the world in a non-age of fire state would be cold, dark and practically uninhabitable?
     That's what the "Gods" (read: Gwyn and his 45 children) want you to believe. It's called Dark Souls, not Dark Pill (fully aware of the cringe at play here but bear (the curse) with me). The world in the Age of Dark WOULD be cold, dark and uninhabitable ONLY to being aligned with Fire - ie. the "Gods" and their offspring.
     The Age of Fire is effectively the Age of the Lords (who were Hollows before they acquired the Lord Souls), but the Lords aren't immortal (just like the Dragons and unlike the Humans), they can be killed and their Souls will eventually find a new host since they're too powerful to just fade away but it's not exactly reincarnation either (unless we're talking about Manus but that's more or less thanks to the Dark Soul being a special kind of Soul).
     During the war against the Dragons Gwyn conscripted countless humans into his army and realized just how powerful they were thanks to the Dark Soul's potential being effectively limitless as it's capable of multiplying by splitting into countless fragments, creating life and growing stronger no matter how tiny its fragments are.
     This realization led to the creation of the Darksign to contain/limit the Humans' potential by weakening their fragments of the Dark Soul and rendering them mortal - but the Darksign's power gets weaker as the First Flame fades, thus rendering Humans immortal again. H O W E V E R the Darksign is also what causes Humans to go Hollow as it slowly feeds on Humanity. That fucker then psyopped the Humans by creating a religion centered around the Lords (and their children) (the Lords aren't Gods, they're only worshipped as such) and started his anti-Age-of-Dark propaganda to ensure that people would keep trying to link the Flame forever. Oh and he basically erased the Humans' contribution to the war against the Dragons from history.
     The First Sin isn't just the unnatural prolonging of the Age of Fire, it's also the creation of the Darksign - what Gwyn had done is worse than genocide.
     
     Dark Souls isn't about resigning yourself to your fate/nature (unless you're a Lord), it's about surmounting overwhelming odds both as an individual and as a collective and how karmic retribution is unavoidable - but you'd better get to it sooner than later, Humanity is immortal but nature isn't.
     
     In other words, the Lords of Fire are Humanity-enslaving kikes. But sooner or later the propaganda machine will break and Humanity will finally say "No." - even if it might be "too late" (DS3, the Age of Dark will still come but the entire world is irreparably corrupted and dying, something something strip mining for EV batteries and chopping forests down/replacing fields with wind turbines)
     The entire series is a hopeful warning.
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   • Christmas Coon (mebigbrain@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:15 JST Christmas Coon

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     • Jens_Rasmussen
     @Owl @Jens_Rasmussen WE TALKIN SOULS LORE? HOO BOY!
     
     Mankind certainly does not equal nature, at least not in the setting of Dark Souls. The world as it is know is established by the gods, Gwyn and his kin. When you look at the abyss and Oolacile it seems that the Dark soul of humanity is a force strictly incompatible with that natural order, corrupting and destroying.
     
     About the Undead curse, we don't know that ending the Age of Fire removes the curse (it's certainly still present in Dark Souls 2 and 3), but there is a lot of mystery to what ending the Age of Fire actually involves. It might though, the Dark Sign seems to be made of fire and was Gwyn's Final Solution to the AQ (Abyss Question). But it might not make a difference if you link the fire or become the lord of darkness in that one respect.
   • Jens_Rasmussen (jens_rasmussen@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:15 JST Jens_Rasmussen

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     • Christmas Coon
     I am extremely rusty on Souls lore, but isn't it assumed that the world in a non-age of fire state would be cold, dark and practically uninhabitable?
   • Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:16 JST Owl

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     • Jens_Rasmussen

     Mankind is nature.

   • Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:16 JST Owl

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     • Jens_Rasmussen

     Plus, let's be really real here. You're not saving mankind anyway, you're prolonging the Age of Light and of Royal Authority, extending their lives at the expense of mankind going into madness via Hollowing, which is untold suffering.

     To be in pain but not to die is horrendous.

   • Jens_Rasmussen (jens_rasmussen@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:17 JST Jens_Rasmussen

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     Saving the world means saving mankind, not nature.
   • Jens_Rasmussen (jens_rasmussen@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:18 JST Jens_Rasmussen

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     If being obnoxious means saving the world, then that's fine.
   • Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:18 JST Owl

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     • Jens_Rasmussen

     Saving the world by allowing the fire to fade and for nature to take its course. Lighting the fire only guarantees the repetition of the vicious cycle of denying nature. Much of Dark Souls taught me a lot about acceptance and to not fight fate. To let the natural order proceed and to not deviate from that, to stop others from doing the same.

     I don't think it's a coincidence that every time someone wants to fight nature, people end up getting killed, harmed forever or we make some pseudoscientific amalgam of butchered flesh and human psychology.

   • Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:19 JST Owl

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     • Jens_Rasmussen

     It IS peaceful, everything is quiet and calm until you show up and break that peace. Dark Souls is a world of entropy and the Hollows and all the other creatures of the world would typically just stay where they dwell until the end of time were it not for the Chosen Undead constantly rolling in and being obnoxious.

   • Jens_Rasmussen (jens_rasmussen@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:18:20 JST Jens_Rasmussen

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     I remember seeing people be mad at her saying "this land is peaceful, its inhabitants kind", but personally I was so fucking done with that area, and I was overjoyed to not have to fight a boss battle a dozen times, when she instead just understood that I got into that world by accident and just let me leave.