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1. Alex Limi (limi@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 11:24:42 JST Alex Limi

   • John Gruber

   @gruber The hydraulic press is implied.

   • AmigaLove (amigalove@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 11:24:40 JST AmigaLove

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     • John Gruber

     @limi @gruber

     Apple //c sold: 380,000 - 420,000
     Commodore 128 sold: 2.5 million

     mkay ;)

   • John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 11:51:57 JST John Gruber

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     • AmigaLove

     @amigalove @limi Worked out really well for Commodore.

   • AmigaLove (amigalove@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 12:27:36 JST AmigaLove

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     • John Gruber

     @gruber @limi boo hiss

     I'll stack the C128's colors + sound next to the //c any day, even though they both died. Plus it had 3 OSes to choose from. Pretty cool.

     Honestly pre-1991 C='s hardware was solid. Post 1991 it quickly became dated (and C= sat on it pretty much from the day they either made it or acquired it). The 90s ate Commodore's lunch. Leadership was tragically clueless.

     80s, though? They had the best-selling computer before the invention of the iPhone.

   • trance0j (trance0j@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 14:21:37 JST trance0j

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     • John Gruber
     • AmigaLove

     @amigalove @gruber @limi

     Atari enters the fray...

     The Cummodore 64 was no match for the glorious Atari 8bits. C64s were cheap clones with poor graphics and color. The only saving grace was the SID chip. I used to work in an Computer store as a teen as sell all these 8-bits. C64 had the highest return rate, after the equally pathetic Sinclair Spectrums.

     Even the Amiga was designed by ex-Atari engineers (Jay Miner, etc). It was internally code-named as Atari "Mickey".

   • John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 01:57:22 JST John Gruber

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     • AmigaLove

     @amigalove @limi Don’t get me wrong. I will admit I never used a Commodore 128, but I had friends with the C64 in the 80s and it was great. And Amiga, of course, was a full decade ahead of its time in some ways. Video Toaster!

     But I’m saying that an ad campaign like this betrays a mindset at a company that is destined to lose.

   • John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 01:59:38 JST John Gruber

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     • AmigaLove

     @amigalove @limi When was Apple at its nadir, in genuine danger of disappearing? When they ran ads like this:

   • AmigaLove (amigalove@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 03:46:06 JST AmigaLove

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     • John Gruber

     @gruber @limi I tend to agree with that sentiment. Their marketing dept (and R&D) seemed so incredibly broken by the late 80s. And their complete lack of knowing what to do with Amiga has been chronicled ad nauseam.

     Fun chatting with you, Gruber. I’ve been a fan and DF regular since before the original iPhone. (I became a big Mac guy during the dot com boom of the late 90s.) ☮️