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1. Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-May-2024 22:08:20 JST Delta Chat

   Often overlooked from our "but e-mail!" skeptics: Any sufficiently advanced P2P messenger will eventually re-invent a custom, partial form of e-mail ... because users want to communicate when their apps are offline or not foregrounded and active at the same time. See https://briarproject.org/download-briar-mailbox/ for a recent example.

   Delta Chat goes the reverse route by providing a secure and interoperable e-mail based messaging experience and then adds P2P tech like https://webxdc.org on top.

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-May-2024 22:08:19 JST silverpill

     in reply to

     @delta

     >Any sufficiently advanced P2P messenger will eventually re-invent a custom, partial form of e-mail

     That's correct, pure P2P is a pipe dream. The solution, however, is federation, and email is only one protocol among many.

     ActivityPub should work just as well, but it is modern, extensible, with a rapidly growing userbase, and may eventually replace email. Consider supporting it. The secure fediverse messenger still doesn't exist, and many have promised to build one, but you can be the first who actually delivers.

   • Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 01:57:14 JST Delta Chat

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     • rakoo

     @rakoo stay tuned :) but we will not compromise on reliability, efficiency and ease of use which means we tread carefully. Instead of a distributed hash table (dht) we are to use the massively scaled e-mail system for bootstrapping P2P connectivity and paradigms. Any P2P system needs a bootstrapping mechanism, if not email it would be "root" servers and they are way less federated and decentralized than email :) but more when the time comes as we prefer delivering working code not ideas.

     Heavens Feel likes this.
   • rakoo (rakoo@blah.rako.space)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 01:57:21 JST rakoo

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     @delta
     
     This begs the question: when will we see a version of Delta Chat that is fully P2P, essentially a mail-server-in-my-smartphone. Sounds like a stupid idea until it doesn't. If the phone of my correspondent is up, no third-party. If it isn't, I can contact their backup, vps-hosted mail server thanks to... MX priorities. Everything is there already.