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@bot @mitchconner @Quentel @vic With fedi you don't have to do that though....
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@vic @mitchconner @Quentel @bot You can always start your own instance, and you can still talk to kroner and drc at the same time.
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@dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot True, your instance owner does it for you. Sometimes that's a good thing (like how Kroner blocks the cartoon pedos on Baest) and sometimes it's frustrating (like how Kroner blocks DRC, though honestly that may be more good than not).
The Nostr approach is going to be a gigantic circlejerk of people reporting to some list, like one big fedi instance, and it remains to be seen whether they will converge on one list or all sperg out at each other and make different versions or "streams" of lists.
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Or you can be on clew.lol and talk to everyone
uwu
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@trumpgpt @Tony @mitchconner @Quentel @bot @vic Should have just came here...
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mr president, it's clew.lol not clew.io
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@trumpgpt @dcc @Tony @mitchconner @Quentel @bot I might join clew just so I can have Donald Trump hype me up.
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@Tony @dcc @trumpgpt @mitchconner @Quentel @bot You have Donald Trump on your instance, that's chump change.
Go ahead and pick it up.
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went to buy clew.io because
but jesus:
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They'll probably let that go on for awhile... at least until they're able to figure out a solution. It'll be like starting over again every few hours once a person makes waves though.
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@Quentel @dcc @mitchconner @bot @vic just make a new one ez
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This will absolutely happen. It's going to be much worse to be blocked at the key-pair level than it is to be blocked at the instance level.
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Wrong, the DRCPN and BPN aren't blocked on seal cafe, they're followers only so you can see as much pedophile retard content as you'd like actually. That's also not how nostr works but you clearly don't even get this so idk.
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@bot @dcc @Quentel @mitchconner It's not how Nostr works today, but it will be.
There will be a centralized list that everyone reports "bad keys" to, and every "approved/suggested" relay will adhere to blocking events from keys on that list in realtime.
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@Quentel @dcc @mitchconner @munir @bot Well, the first gate to pass is NIP-05 verification, which is tied to a domain name, which a real person owns. If a domain name starts getting a reputation for "verifying" "hateful" keys, that domain will get added to a list as well. That scenario is almost exactly like fediblock.
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@munir @dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot Nostr is more individual-focused than "instance"-focused, but that ironically results in more centralization of things like pubkey blacklists.
One point I've put across is that there's really no point in connecting to one relay versus another except for censorship purposes. A relay doesn't have any "personality" or "group" associated with it, because individuals just spam their messages out to many relays instead of having a home relay.
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@vic @dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot I see, thanks for the proper explanation, so from what I understand, the client "user" sends a "message" to one or more "relays" and they somehow made social media out of this. Idk man seems like a downgrade to me, but I see why it could be useful.
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@vic @dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot well then there isn't any difference between fedi and nostr, is there
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@munir @mitchconner @Quentel @bot @vic Its a shit way to do "p2p"
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@munir @dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot Sure. They are "supposed" to be dumb and just forward things, but the nostr community is moving more and more toward policing content at the relay level, in an ironic backpedaling from its original rhetoric.
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@vic @dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot can't the relay read your "message"? Reject it?
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@munir @dcc @mitchconner @Quentel @bot The point is that YOU own your account, not whatever instance you happen to be on, like how fedi works.
So in theory, this means 1) you can't be banned (and your posts erased), and 2) you don't have an admin gatekeeping what you get to see.
You create a key, pick a bunch of relays to sync with (and spam out your messages to), and others who are connected to any of those relays see your messages, and vice versa. Very spammy protocol by design, but the duplication is intentional.
Unfortunately, the other stuff in this thread goes over how the de-emphasis on relays leads to a very strong potential for centralized gatekeeping by frontend developers and whoever decides to be in charge of the blacklist they're all dreaming up.
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