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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:32:49 JST Moon
   famous guy not be a pedophile challenge: impossible
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:32:48 JST LS

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     @Moon he was an overall questionable character, read https://mises.org/library/keynes-man-1 for a completely biased account
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:44:15 JST Moon

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     @lain i did not expect to see quotes where he he called himself immoral or said that lying should be permissible as a tactic until they win.
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:44:15 JST LS

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     @Moon i think he's one of the most destructive people to have ever lived, and he wasn't a very nice character either.
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:45:16 JST LS

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     @Moon dollar store keynes
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:45:17 JST Moon

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     @lain getting real robert reich vibes
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:48:23 JST LS

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     @orekix @Moon i vividly remember that we learned about his "multiplier effect" in school ("the more you spend the better the economy runs") and I asked the teacher "so the best way to get a rich world is to never save any money?" and he was uncomfortable with it, but I did believe it and it led to me never saving because i thought it was immoral, essentially.
   • orekix@shitposter.club's status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:48:24 JST orekix

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     @lain @Moon
     
     What do you mean you can't just print money
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:50:11 JST Moon

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     @lain every time mises is mentioned the book gets like:
     
     > One striking illustration of Maynard Keynes’s unjustified arrogance and intellectual irresponsibility was his reaction to Ludwig von Mises’s brilliant and pioneering Treatise on Money and Credit, published in German in 1912.
     
     i am sorry but this is funny, it's done it several times in the last few pages
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:51:47 JST LS

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     @Moon yeah rothbard <3 mises lol, but the point still stands here because keynes later wrote that he didn't even understand it because his german wasn't good enough. (just leaving this her for people who don't read the essay)
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:51:48 JST Moon

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     @lain
     > Keynes expressed his disappointment that the book was neither “constructive” nor “original” (Keynes 1914).
     
     > The peculiar point about Keynes’s review is that Mises’s book was highly constructive and systematic, as well as remarkably original. How could Keynes not have seen that?
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:53:09 JST LS

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     • billy_hughes
     @billy_hughes @Moon you gon get educated
   • billy_hughes (billy_hughes@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:53:10 JST billy_hughes

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     @Moon @lain I've only just recently heard about Mises and Austrian economics. Sounds interesting NGL
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:55:53 JST Moon

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     @lain even though this is hilarious, the book is effective because it just quotes Keynes directly and the quotes are arrogant and revolting
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 09:55:53 JST LS

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     @Moon there's a condensed speech version of it too, i think, that ends on something like "so he was arrogant, a pedophile and nazi sympathizer but otherwise he was a great guy"
   • billy_hughes (billy_hughes@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 10:04:28 JST billy_hughes

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     • cell
     @cell @lain @Moon Kaynes or Mises. Which is correct?
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 10:04:28 JST LS

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     • billy_hughes
     @billy_hughes @cell @Moon if you want to find out, you might want to read paul krugman's NYT column (nobel prize winner and one of the leading keynsianists) at https://www.nytimes.com/column/paul-krugman and listen to the misesian reactions at https://contrakrugman.com/.
   • cell (cell@pl.ebin.zone)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 10:04:29 JST cell

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     • billy_hughes
     @billy_hughes @lain @Moon oh no you two have gotten another one
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 10:08:35 JST feld

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     Wtf is this a real Lain origin story? Official canon?
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 10:09:47 JST LS

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     @feld @Moon @orekix “The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually slaves of some defunct economist.”
     
     - John Maynard Keynes