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When I point out that these guys are "just 2012 democrats in every way that counts" they get all pissy until we get through their belief system: Pro-gay marriage (as long as it's just them living who'm I to judge?), pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-social security, pro-black, pro-gun control, it all shows how effective the media has been on them.
They think they're right wing when they live and breathe the same ideology that first term obama did
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