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@icedquinn @newt
>they're all contorting themselves to the market for money.
markets are a natural phenomenon that exist whether anyone likes it or not.
Lets say the artist does not "contort" to the market:
If an artist charges above market, which many do for things that they don't actually want to sell (sentimental reasons), they sell less. Maybe they don't sell at all, and they can't get income from it as a profession.
If an artist charges below market price, they are in some senses cheating themselves with low pay, but some do it anyway to start getting their name out there and getting experience and work to build their network and reputation. Most artists hate on them for "cheapening the craft" and lowering the market price, but they are snobby.
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@icedquinn @newt it's like gravity. It's neither good nor evil.
Understanding and using gravity can lead to good through engineering.
Choosing to hate gravity or pretend it doesn't exist leads to injury and collapse.
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@icedquinn @newt and I remember jwz blog, there's some cool stuff there, even if I disagree with some of it.
But what he's describing is VC's scamming naive young programmers to work for below market rates. I've experienced this, too. They'll appeal to altruism and lofty visions without any down-payment.
It's the *lack* of business acumen and adherence to business sense and markets that's the cause of the evil, in that use case.
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@icedquinn @newt it's not even a system, or something that can be tried, in any social-construct sense. I wasn't talking about capitalism, just markets.
Corruption and scamming is different.
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@icedquinn @newt that's a pretty complex and abstract discussion.
I don't think patents are very capitalist, because they are the government enforcing monopoly over math. They restrict free markets and voluntary transaction.
When a corporation biases toward certainty over opportunity, they have to be already dominant in the market, and in the long run they become dinosaurs. They get out-competed in the long-run and wither away (without anyone dying). Frequently this requires patents and copyright lawyer-mongering to pull off.
When a government biases toward certainty over opportunity (socialism and planned economy), they see competition as counter-productive, because the cooperative way is to
1) Decide the best way to make the widget
2) Only do it that one way, and create a huge economy of scale by having a single state-owned corporation make it
and they see competition and experimentation as a waste of resources.
The result is the entire country becoming a dinosaur, and when they choose a bad way as "the best and only way", starvation.
On a more personal/psychological level, it's not about chaos-good/chaos-bad. It's about skill in converting chaos to order. That's the value. Sitting around in the order you've created from chaos, is stagnation. I actually don't like those hyper-competitive MOBAs, because they punish creativity and exploration. Too much order.
Too much chaos is fatal, too, but now I'm just talking like Jordan Peterson.
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@icedquinn @newt yes they do. And when they don't, it's largely due to patents (government) and regulation (government) to create barrier to entry.
There's actually a market to create companies for the purpose of looking like a threat, so they can be bought up. Then the talented people in those companies leave and join newer companies, and the "stardust" fades.
The most fucked industries are the least competitive ones with the most regulation and government intervention: healthcare, education, defense contracting, insurance, banking. You practically cannot start a business in these industries to eat their lunch, because of the amount of lawyers you would need.
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@icedquinn @newt yeah, but I mean that the strategy of buying out competitors in a free market has very diminishing returns, when people can just sell you potential competitors over and over again as a strategy, which lose most of their value after acquisition because it's the people, not the brand/company that were the real "stardust".
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@icedquinn @newt I ask because of the equating doing work for money with prostitution, because businessmen bad, but why won't people give money for work.
Does that mean all professional artists are prostitutes? Or all professionals generally?
I think you've drunk too much marxist kool-aid, and it's making you needlessly miserable and external-locus-of-control. You're better than this.
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@icedquinn @newt
>professional studio
>creating art
>prostitution
What is "prostitution" in this case? And what is "creating art"? If it's a professional studio, then the idea is to make art that others want to buy, frequently pre-defined by the buyer (commission).
Anyone can create art any time they want, but no one is obliged to pay them for it.
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@icedquinn @newt oh, the other downside of selling below market prices is that the artist can end up in exploitative relationships where people expect to get things cheap from them. They may have difficulty in advocating for themselves and raising their rates. I know this from personal experience.
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@icedquinn @newt they're natural, neither good nor evil.
Using them wisely as a price discovery mechanism can help you make sales and money without getting exploited.
Choosing to hate them or pretend they don't exist leads to poverty and exploitation.
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@icedquinn @newt ...and there have never been marxist attempts at all, right? because it's never been attempted?
Marx was rich, and all marxists are lead and funded by the super-rich. But I'm sure they'll show those rich what-for.
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@icedquinn @newt what do you mean by "chaos"?
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@icedquinn there's so much more
Hastings was a longtime critic of the U.S. drone program.[55] In May 2013, Hastings denounced President Barack Obama's foreign policy and use of drones as an embrace of Bush-era neoconservatism and "total militarism."[56] Hastings said that Obama "enshrines killing people and spying on journalists as the two major tenets of his national-security state."[57] During the discussion, Hastings said that MSNBC contributor Perry Bacon, Jr., was acting as a "stenographer" for the White House.[57]
On June 18, 2013, Hastings died in a single-vehicle automobile crash in his Mercedes-Benz C250 Coupé [...]. A witness to the crash said the car seemed to be traveling at maximum speed and was creating sparks and flames before it fishtailed and crashed into a palm tree.[59][60] Video from a nearby security camera reportedly shows Hastings's vehicle speeding and bursting into flames.[61]
Witnesses described the car's engine being ejected 50 to 60 yards (46–55 m) from the scene.
Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard A. Clarke said that what is known about the crash is "consistent with a car cyber attack." He was quoted as saying: "There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers—including the United States—know how to remotely seize control of a car. So if there were a cyber attack on [Hastings'] car — and I'm not saying there was, I think whoever did it would probably get away with it."[72]
The day before the crash, Hastings indicated that he believed he was being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. In an email to colleagues, Hastings said that he was "onto a big story", that he needed to "go off the radar", and that the FBI might interview said colleagues.[73][74] WikiLeaks announced that Hastings had also contacted Jennifer Robinson, one of his lawyers, a few hours prior to the crash,[75] and the LA Weekly reported that he was preparing new reports on the CIA at the time of his death.[76]
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@icedquinn I'll take a look, but it's worth mentioning that a lot of the people I look up to are former marxists:
Thomas Sowell was a marxist.
Jordan Peterson was a marxist.
The most sage people are the ones who've been in both sides.
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It's bizarre to see Pride pivot to Appeal to Tradition.
"but that's the way it's always been! We've always chanted that we're coming for your children, so that's the way it should always be!"
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@lain I kind of miss the meme of using corporation names in place of slurs like
>"what a bunch of googles"
>"fucking bings"
because they won't/can't censor it.
I think it was clever, though also cringey.
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@lain I bought the yogurt. I sold out my ethics for yum-yums. But they yummy. I am cringe, but I am free.
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@lain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDezECR9ga4
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