@ArdainianRight @greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv
...and it is a good one. Intelligence expands reality like life itself does, and this makes reality more resilient and allows possibility to emerge.
An unconscious god, godhead, or gods needs life.
@ArdainianRight @greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv
...and it is a good one. Intelligence expands reality like life itself does, and this makes reality more resilient and allows possibility to emerge.
An unconscious god, godhead, or gods needs life.
@ArdainianRight @greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv
I think we have to go further.
We have a duty to make civilization, conserve nature, preserve knowledge, develop skills, and inspect the universe.
We are here for a reason.
We are also limited in intelligence compared to the universe or gods, to add to your point.
@ArdainianRight @greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv
I agree. Even more: they have a duty to do so.
@greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv @ArdainianRight
We may be able to ascertain a mechanism someday, but it too will be an approximation.
There is no end of knowledge, only infinite depth.
"There are no truths, only interpretations." (paraphrase of Fred N)
@greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv @ArdainianRight
I tend to agree on the journey. We are here to experience something and to strive for something.
The goal of life is life. To do that, we must live well, and aim toward the good.
@greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv @ArdainianRight
People are rationalizing animals. They just want to feel in control, relevant, and like good things will happen.
They will therefore, if allowed, focus on their own immediate wants, and let civilization, nature, culture, heritage, history, and future go to rot.
This is why democracy is evil.
@lccmv @greyknight33 @ArdainianRight
This is all that I am saying. Agnosticism is the scientific position.
I also think relativism comes into play. There may be forces out there that appeal to, attract, and are relevant to some people but not others.
So even if we stipulate that God exists, he does not exist equally. Some will find him, some cannot, and some will not.
@greyknight33 @lccmv @ArdainianRight
The problem with atheism is that it asserts a negation as a positive.
"We do not know if there is a God" is legit, "We know there is no God" is ridiculous.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-from-Ignorance
"X is false because you cannot prove that X is true."
This is why agnosticism is the only logical position.
@greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv @ArdainianRight
In my view, the real question is what we should do now.
We are here, most of the universe is mystery, so how do we make the best life out of this?
@greyknight33 @jazzilla @lccmv @ArdainianRight
There's a reason Plato kicked off The Republic with a discussion of the best life.
His point: live functional and sane, and real morality will develop, but it will include the Lex Talionis in the Golden Rule as a means of keeping the whole in order, not just individual consciousness.
Well stated, but I must differ. Of course, I am difficult.
I think we cannot know this world from God's point of view.
I think we can know it as it presents itself, and surmise much of the rest.
But all is heuristics, much like every decision is tradeoffs. There is no purity, only better over worse on a functional level.
Nonetheless I think this leads to God/gods.
@ArdainianRight @greyknight33 @lccmv
Honesty and guts factor in heavily.
@greyknight33 @lccmv @ArdainianRight
Yes. We call them "normies."
All things taken more seriously... it is only at about 115ish that people are capable of sentience, and even more are taken out by psychological dysfunction, most of which is biological (mute load).
@lccmv @greyknight33 @ArdainianRight
The control mechanism was there before religion: a group enforces its ideology by using peer pressure.
It overlaps with organized religion, but as Grey Knight says, does it overlap with belief itself? No, in my view. Belief in God means recognizing that the universe is a good place with benevolent, creative, and intelligent aims.
@lccmv @greyknight33 @ArdainianRight
It is a good question.
Humans have choice; some choose to do bad things.
Nature corrects as it can, but on its timescale, not ours.
Genghis Khan's empire collapsed in a very short period of time and his people are now lawn Mexicans for China.
@lccmv @greyknight33 @ArdainianRight
Third world populations tend to be aggregates.
The Mongols are most likely the same, and Genghis Khan certainly was.
"If you understand that there's an objective reality outside of yourself that you're powerless against and therefore must conform to"
Most people, and all of Leftism, are solidly resistant to accepting this.
It's why we tell people to touch grass. Go hang out in the woods for awhile, and external reality will whap you upside the head until you accept it, but also reveal its beauties.
I do not use the term "objective" because I think we simply mean "external."
These monsters rise to power because we humans allow them to. Sometimes we even cheer them on and empower them; because we are stupid.
"solipsism is an outlook that's extremely influential on modern culture"
Understatement of the year!
In my view, destiny is relative. Some need God, some need gods, some need neither.
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