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イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 09:00:34 JST 
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@nyanide luxury -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 21:33:20 JST
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real papa roach hours -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:57:09 JST
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@MK2boogaloo
Okay you get one more reply out of me
>I've seen Orthodoxes here, they're just like the pic I attached.
The meme is full of strawmen that do not represent official Orthodox teaching. If the words of any (anonymous, too) nutjob online can be taken as base to attack religions then we have no basis for debate.
>Also, there's nothing you could prove about the Greco-Roman spirit either
Real life holds all the evidence. Of course you must first get to know the historical before you can recognize it in the present. Something that you not have done yet. Aren't you in Indonesia? You must actually consider your own subjective perspective when you make such claims, and how informed you can actually be. I have strong opinions about Japan, for example, but I would never attempt to interfere or mingle with internal Japanese issues. You are an outsider.
>whatever you see in your place is a replication made in the Renaissance era.
You are making some weird assumptions. The Renaissance was kick-started by the Medici bringing in scholars and artists from the fallen Constantinople. If anything, the Renaissance is the replica (or continuation, depending on perspective). When we look at the source of these scholars and artists, we do not look at a replication, but at the source and the original.
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イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:48:10 JST
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@MK2boogaloo
>Because it's true!
What do you call this argument?
> They haven't been relevant to any discourse for centuries
Relevant to whom? The Truth and the Church of God will always be relevant to humanity, no matter if some or many of the world reject it. God's word and revelation transcend everything. The Orthodox Church is the only Church with continuous Apostolic Succession.
>when given the chance they won't even expand their influence beyond some countries in Eastern Europe.
Here you expose your worldly understanding of the Christian faith. A faith that is not about 'expansion of influence.' But can we Orthodox expect anything else from you?
I will nope out of this debate after this post. You should learn how to argue, because you may end up hurting what you want to defend. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:41:22 JST
イリエ
@MK2boogaloo @grips
Many things are funny, but not all are true. That this claim is funny is also subjective to you, and you are not the arbiter of truth. It's funny to you, that doesn't mean anything.
The continuous existence of the Orthodox Church, also known as the Catholic Church (officially) is nothing but evidence that in the Orthodox Church you find the Church of Christ, surviving wave after wave of attack, abuse, persecution, and violence by the hands of the world and those who are of this world.
The Franks (aka Latins) who inherited the Church in the West (through violence) did not understand the spirit, essence, and purpose of Christianity. And this blot still remains embedded in the faulty and contradicting theology of Western Christianity today. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:36:51 JST
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@MK2boogaloo
The Greco-Roman spirit died when Rome fell, what exist in the East now is the the accumulation of Greek Christian spirit imbued with Eastern philosophies.
Big oof. Aren't you Indonesian? How can you know about such things? You don't live here. You probably never experienced anything traditionally European. You have wild claims, but nothing to back them up. Just a hooligan on the prowl. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:32:10 JST
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@MK2boogaloo
>Even if that's an opinion, it's a good one I think.
You think it is a good one, but you cannot say why. This makes all the difference.
>It is worthless to say who's the fault here
There is always meaning in tracing back events, seeing how and why something happened. Your wish to ignore all that cannot lead to sound conclusions.
>I think the best way is to look at the consequences.
>You want to look at the consequences, but you want to ignore the causes. What do we call such behavior?
>Out of all 5 Patriarchs, only one still stand
A mere fact that could support the exact opposite argument of yours. Furthermore, we Orthodox do not consider Patriarchs the equivalent of a Pope (popes occupy a position of power similar to the Pagan Roman High Priests). Our Patriarchs are fallible human beings, servants and members of the body of Christ, the Orthodox Church, and each body part has its own position to fill. Some are called to lead, some to follow. If you want to be first, prepare to be last. The Orthodox Church is not of this world.
>That alone is a good reason why the west wasn't wrong.
Not at all. Reality is not simple, much less when we trace it back throughout history. You don't have a good reason, you have no reason at all, just desire. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:28:02 JST
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@grips @MK2boogaloo yea true but for some the perception is "divide between TRVE Europe (which they deem as Catholic)" and between "irrelevant Europe (which they see as Orthodox);" this goes back to the divide between German and Greek ethnicities taking shape throughout the first millennium after Christ in Europe, finally leading to the Great Schism on a religious level; but the political and cultural divide had already occurred centuries earlier -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:24:16 JST
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@MK2boogaloo
>that's why they shouldn't screech every time the 4th Crusade is being mentioned
you twist the logic around, making no sense
we have every right to mention the Sack of Constantinople, by those who we expected as friends and allies, but who came murderers
I reject your moral nihilism, my previous point only served to exemplify that you actually have no point -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:23:34 JST
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@grips @MK2boogaloo don't know what you mean here -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:17:22 JST
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@MK2boogaloo first of all he can't even remember in what book he read it, or whether Belloc wrote that at all, making it just another opinion on the internet. Second, there is no reason given to the main point. The Great Schism was a self-inflicted wound by German interests in the West. Third, it contradicts direct words of Belloc about European roots being Mediterranean (which is true). Finally, Belloc was a Catholic, it would be weird to expect him to demand a return to Orthodoxy; but, him being a learned man, it would not be surprising for him to demand a return to the Greco-Roman legacy, which is fully preserved in Orthodoxy as it encapsulates Eastern Roman spirit and tradition. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:09:50 JST
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@MK2boogaloo
>conquest is a normal thing to happen
so is killing your occupiers. same logic. you can't complain then
>The Byzantines also did that to the Latins
perhaps in some twisted fanfic on the internet
Eastern Roman had asked Christians in the West for help, but instead of help, they abused the Eastern trust to come as murderers -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:08:22 JST
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@MK2boogaloo well the same guy also wrote the Church has Mediterranean roots, and that the Church is Europe. Belloc wrote so much about these topics that just taking a single line out of context is closer to a crime than a point -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 01:06:01 JST
イリエ
@MK2boogaloo you forgot to mention that Latins arrived there in 1204 as conquerors and occupiers. Look up the Sack of Constantinople in 1204. Latins raping and pillaging the city. There is also no good reason to believe some of the outrageous atrocities listed there. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 23:27:11 JST
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@MK2boogaloo @nyanide that's how it's for me too. It always takes a moment -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 23:25:00 JST
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Barometer for successful brainwashing in Europe. Slovenia is the cutoff. Russia, Serbia, Georgia, and Hungary the resistance.
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イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 02:46:08 JST
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@Terry world-changing events happen and people still need to work. One does not exclude the other. Were Hitler's soldiers going to work? Are Putin's soldiers getting up every morning to mow down Ukrainians going to work? You could argue nations go to war so that people can go to work, at peace. It's nice to have a functioning infrastructure, access to water and food, and everything else that you need nowadays. That only happens when people work. Now for things like safety, justice, and prosperity, one may need to go to war for that. -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 23:24:40 JST
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@get
also actual pedophiles
>use decentralized services out in the open
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イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 04:45:53 JST
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@heavens_feel @monsterislandcolonizer @Kyonko802 it's like spiritual poison -
イリエ (irie@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 23:14:55 JST
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@MK2boogaloo I think they even matter in the US. The effect is just more diminished as the US has only two competitive parties that must accommodate the entire political spectrum found in quite disparate regions of the country. Before Trump, it virtually, and often literally, didn't matter who won. After Trump, we saw a rupture in the Uniparty Deep State bloc. While Trump may not guarantee a genuine deviation, he opened the door, punctured the tank, leading to a leakage of authority and control. Musk (no matter what we think of him) at the same continues to undermine legacy media influence in the mainstream. This combination may lead to genuine political change in the short or long term. A change that, again, may not satisfy more dissident voices, due to the two-sizes-fit-all approach of the democratic process in the US.
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