@aral not sure I agree with that, I'm sure there are enough good engineers out here who'd be happy to takeover from them at the salary he quoted getting, we'll never be able to compete with the money people in the US who will make large bets on the basis of taking it all later as that will be their goal have no doubt about that. Will they relinquish control do you think, I suspect not and so we who have a huge input into what this place is have no say