@d0c40r0 @Sui @feralphilosophernc @Solbera It's so cringedumb to hear them say that, totally gives it away that they're setting their kids up to fail.
"oh I'll never let my kids have a phone"
"but all their friends & family have a drawer full of older ones they don't have the heart to throw away, so they'll have a phone you don't know about"
"no they wouldn't do that"