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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 10:30:38 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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   @a1ba I would bet you all these 8 gb macbooks are just the 16 gbs with bum RAM modules

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba They don't have to play yield games with RAM, it's attached to the SoC post-validation. The wacky 48Gb (6GB) and 96Gb (12GB) modules used by the 18GB and 36GB MBPs might be a yield thing from Micron or whoever they're going with this time, though. On Apple's side it's only the reduced CPU (lmao 11core) and GPU core count models that are shipping gated-off defects.
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     @birdulon @a1ba Guess you theoretically don’t need THAT much ram, or so the MBP owners always tell me.

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba It's impressive with memory management and all but seeing 2700 dollaridoos for an M3 with 8GB is very different to the old 1300 dollaridoo M1 MBA and I think it's a little disgusting to have "Pro" in the name at that point.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:07:04 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @mischievoustomato @birdulon @a1ba That’s what I’m curious about. Stuck w/ MacOS 12 ventura, and my ram usage is stable but always high. Not sure if the hardware is such I can just plug in a macbook to do the same job and take it on the road. I think the lowest I’ve ever seen it is at 35 gb used. Hard to imagine I could just pop a 16 gb laptop into this same mission and get better performance

   • Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:07:05 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @birdulon @a1ba macOS has a lot of tricks to reduce memory usage across the board, plus it uses swapping and memory compression well, and swapping is uber fast due to the storage being uber fast.
     a friend of mine has a m2 max macbook pro with 96gb of ram and well, its a beast of a machine
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:12:41 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @birdulon @mischievoustomato @a1ba IDK why my graph is so bland, it always looks like this

   • 🐦ulon :blobshp: (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:12:42 JST 🐦ulon :blobshp:

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @mischievoustomato @a1ba
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   • Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:17:29 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @birdulon @a1ba what macOS users always say (and so does apple) is to care about memory pressure, not the raw numbers.
     
     I doubt you could be able to do the same stuff with a 16GB machine, but people say that you can comfortably use swap with an apple silicon mac and the machine doesnt break a sweat.
     
     I have an x86 linux laptop, with 12GB of ram and 24GB of zram as swap (tldr, compressed memory, ratio of 4-5:1) and it can run quite a lot of stuff. I don't have to worry about memory usage most of the time. The linux kernel still does need more work to make it better suit interactive/responsive (aka laptops, desktops)
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:27:13 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @mischievoustomato @birdulon @a1ba If I had to pull the trigger today I’d probably go for an M1/2 with 64 gb just to be safe, but I think 32 would do nicely, too.

     I think I got 40 gb in my thinkpad and when that thing chokes w/ an 8th gen I5 when I’m going full tilt on work. Between PDFs, web docs, and spreadsheets w/ some media noise it usually sits at 36-38 gb or so. I hate switching and swapping, I like all my stuff being ready at hand. Got a very messy desktop environment, but it offends me to have to wait for things to load/reload. Haven’t given it a workout in windows though, only ubuntu and gnome so far

   • Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:30:52 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @birdulon @a1ba I rarely see stuff reload/stutter. I have to hammer memory heavily together with cpu (like with av1 encoding with ffmpeg) to see my laptop struggle.
     That said, firefox seems to suck at memory management, and im stuck on it until google chrome gets hardware media decode.
     
     🤔 40GB ram + 80GB zram should be able to run a shitload of things.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 12:36:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @birdulon @mischievoustomato @a1ba I still do most of my computing on an old 3.3 ghz Xeon, actually. I keep trying to move up to stuff and I just keep coming back to the one trust machine that’s simple, always fast, and functional.

     I’m not doing too much CPU-intensive work w/ current job, so the multicore doesn’t make that big an impact on livability. The only thing that requires me to start managing apps is using something like indesign w/ a lot of pages

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @mischievoustomato @a1ba >8th gen i5
     Oh yeah, M1 will fly like a concorde if you're used to that
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     @birdulon @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba Yeah, but a lot has to do with how ram is. You can get ram as fast as a macbook m1/m2/m3 if you know what to look for. There's laptops with LPDDR4/5/4X ram that are pretty smooth.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 13:02:05 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @mischievoustomato @birdulon @a1ba I like my ryzen, but I only use it for encoding and flight simming so who knows how good it is.

     If the chinks would hurry up and get competitive I’d probably jump over to them w/ the right OS support, I like the idea of giving them my data more than the amerizogs (AMD) or israelis (intel)

   • Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 13:02:06 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @birdulon @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba I used ryzen from 2020-2021 and I experienced so many crashes, hangs and loss of performance due to amd's incompetence, that I can't in good conscience recommend AMD products nor even use them anymore. I have an Intel Tigerlake laptop and I'm pretty happy. It's not flawless, but the bugs I reported got fixed timely.
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     @mischievoustomato @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba I've been burned too many times over the Skylake years so I'm pretty unwilling to buy anything blue myself these days, I'll update my opinions when I use someone else's machine and get pleasantly surprised
   • Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 13:02:08 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @birdulon @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba yeah, good point.
     In my case, I dont trust AMD. I'm an Intel fan. Meteor Lake will be so kino.
     Speaking of compression and decompression, intel has hardware in its enterprise cpus to accelerate zstd compression. That'd be so good to have on laptops and well, every cpu
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     @mischievoustomato @WashedOutGundamPilot @a1ba an M1 could pin half its processing power at constantly (de)compressing and paging and it would still outperform a Coffee Lake H/U or Whiskey Lake system with 128GB of DDR4 in both responsiveness and battery life
     now if it were something like Zen2 or Zen3 instead...
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     @mischievoustomato @birdulon @a1ba The chinese can’t send a swat team to shoot me in the head at 3 AM becaues they decrypted my holocaust infographics via the CPU backdoor

   • Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 13:50:43 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @birdulon @a1ba > trusting the chinese
     l m a o. I know you're smart though.
     I'm happy with Intel or Apple. Intel has a lot of neat features on their laptop chips like their media capabilities, sriov, ai, compute, et cetera. Moreover, I can just expect my laptop to work...