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Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 00:18:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
@Hoodedman @amerika @wjmaggos @FourOh-LLC @Sigma Is animal hierarchy also a deceptive invention?

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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 01:39:51 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hoodedman @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC Humans are animals. Hierarchy in the animal kingdom is normal. Being able to analyze the hierarchy may be a uniquely human capability, but I don't think that means that hierarchy is not natural in humans or we are somehow above nature.
  
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- Hoodedman (hoodedman@mastodon.london)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 01:39:52 JST Hoodedman
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  @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC did i say that? It depends on the animal, of course. There is a vast variation.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 02:03:23 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hoodedman @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC
  > Naturally occuring hierarchy is a distraction
  
  Who is it meant to distract from what?
  
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- Hoodedman (hoodedman@mastodon.london)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 02:03:24 JST Hoodedman
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  @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC hierarchy in animals is not normal. It does exist. It is a distraction, though.
  As stated, the human hierarchy is a gross deception, an invention of civilization. Read about the archeology behind the science in my article tumor.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 02:20:37 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hoodedman @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC I'm not sure I follow. If I understand you correctly you are suggesting that observations in nature don't translate to human behavior. If that's what you mean I disagree. I'm not even sure how you would come to that conclusion so I probably misunderstood.
  
  I don't think this actually answers my question though. What does it mean for hierarchy (outside of human civilization) to be a distraction? If we're talking about a pack of coyote for example, what is the distraction from and who is getting distracted?
  
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- Hoodedman (hoodedman@mastodon.london)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 02:20:38 JST Hoodedman
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  @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC generally speaking, we should not try to transfer relations in nature to human realities.
  That is true, also when agreeing that human beings are animals, or one species of animal.
  As stated, nature is a vast variety of differences, in all areas.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 04:26:18 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hoodedman @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC Maybe I get what you are saying. Are you saying that the evidence of hierarchy in nature is used as a distraction by the establishment to justify brutal hierarchies in human civilizations?
  
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- Hoodedman (hoodedman@mastodon.london)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 04:26:20 JST Hoodedman
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  @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC I think it is safe to say we disagree on the basics here.
  The ongoing distraction, deception is used by the establishment to justify oppression.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 06:47:25 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hoodedman @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC Ok so I agree that hierarchy being found in nature doesn't mean that all hierarchies are natural, but that also doesn't mean that natural hierarchy isn't part of humanity. I think that we create systems in civilization that mimic natural hierarchy, but those systems have a tendency to be scaled out beyond reasonable limits and can be more oppressive than necessary at times. That doesn't mean there should be NO hierarchy. I think it is probably impossible for any society of sufficient complexity to avoid hierarchical systems.
  
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- Hoodedman (hoodedman@mastodon.london)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 06:47:27 JST Hoodedman
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  @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC yes.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 09:15:41 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hoodedman @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC I will go through the links you sent tomorrow morning when I have more time. I can appreciate the idea that we need smaller, closer knit communities and less top down government, but I think even in a group of hunters you will see at least temporary hierarchies emerge out of necessity.
  
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- Hoodedman (hoodedman@mastodon.london)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 09:15:42 JST Hoodedman
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  @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @amerika @FourOh-LLC most pre-civilization hunter/gatherer societies were non-hierarchal. Of course, there is the dunbar number that might come into play with higher numbers of people. My solution is a network of truly autonomous communes described on my substack blog.
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 04:38:10 JST ≠
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  @Hoodedman @thatguyoverthere @Sigma @wjmaggos @FourOh-LLC
  "most pre-civilization hunter/gatherer societies were non-hierarchal."
  Not correct. They found some they think were non-hierarchical, but that is far from "most."
  Even more, all of this is historical reconstruction.
  In reality, if everyone throws spears, the hunt is going to go badly often.
  
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