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1. Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo: (verita84@poster.place)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:07 JST Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:
   So the people want to be in hell instead?
   • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo: (verita84@poster.place)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:04 JST Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:

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     @roboneko
     
     The alternative is high crime and attacks on regular people if they do not go to the camps. When Covid started, they were put in luxury hotels.
     
     Why is forced-shelter immoral? Living on the street is worse for everyone.
     
     
     Yeah, times are crazy. The Street Kids of SF chose that life style for freedom.
     
     https://priceonomics.com/street-kids/
   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:05 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     @verita84 report to the camp or we'll send the law after you? you don't see anything wrong with that? :thinkin:
     
     but anyway I'm far more concerned with the $1.5 billion figure because of what it says about the state of the overall system
   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:05 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:
     @verita84
     
     > mentally ill
     
     yeah I think this probably covers the majority tbf
     
     > prefer to be homeless
     
     what situation even leads to that tho. like at what point does that become preferable to the alternatives? again what does that say about the state of things
   • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo: (verita84@poster.place)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:06 JST Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:

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     • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:
     @roboneko
     
     Most of those homeless people are mentally ill or prefer to be homeless. See Street Kids of San Francisco. They make enough begging to get drugs and booze for the day.
     
     Regardless, putting them in shelters should be a win/win for everyone. Fuck the ones that want to stay on the streets
   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:07 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     @verita84 if you blame the homeless for their plight then of course the situation looks absurd. whereas if you view it as the result of a broken system then people objecting makes much more sense
     
     > would cost at least $1.5 billion to house every person who is currently homeless
     
     if that isn't dysfunction then I don't know what is. WTF is even going on anymore
   • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo: (verita84@poster.place)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:21 JST Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:

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     • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:
     @roboneko
     
     Oh let me tell you from what I heard from people that work in shelters in my town.
     
     They could get free food, shelter, and what they need but they can't consume alcohol or drugs. Many want freedom to do alcohol and drugs and choose the streets instead.
     
     People should not live in the streets. It's proven to be a public safety problem. :makima:
     
     Cities should have good alternatives. That is the rule in my town for example. They can't remove homeless from the streets unless they have better options available
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:21 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @verita84 @roboneko alcohol/drugs is a coping mechanism. you have to have an offramp and a viable alternative if you seriously expect people to get off those
   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 10:19:22 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     @verita84
     
     > Why is forced-shelter immoral?
     
     something or other about rounding people up and putting them in camps against their will, I imagine
     
     > Living on the street is worse for everyone.
     
     everyone including them? then why are they actively choosing that option? you never answered my question. at what point does living on the streets become preferable to the alternatives?