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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:51:44 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
   > Researchers are looking for ways to increase the albedo of Earth, because If less solar energy is absorbed by the planet, then the surface of the Earth will cool. This concept is called solar radiation management. Two examples include:
   
   fucking perverts
   
   https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-solutions/limit-sunlight-stop-climate-change
   • Santa Noodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 22:24:51 JST Santa Noodle ☦️

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     @thatguyoverthere These people are broken brained.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 22:32:43 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male we already seed clouds all over the place. Cloud seeding is one of the many ways they want to achieve their ends. It was done for years in secret, and anyone who observed the weird patterns in the sky was dubbed a conspiracy theorist. Based on the fact that it's being openly discussed by the White House, EU, WEF, and I think even English government experts, I do not believe we are decades away. "Serious" research is already underway.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 22:32:44 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere Idea is not without merit, but we're at least decades away of focused technological research.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 22:38:45 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere Shitting up atmosphere with chemicals is an active solution.
     Mechanically blocking energy influx is a passive solution.
     
     Decades away means, we need a reliable and economical logistic route to L1 in order to ship thousands of tons of cargo to built the panels.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 22:38:45 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male "solution"
     
     You keep using that word.
     
     it's all hubris. it's all insane. I don't care if they use mechanical or chemical means. Neither is a good idea. Anyone who thinks their ideas are so good that we should all have to suffer under them should get a free one way trip to mars
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:20:28 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male it may not have been "hidden" per se, but I remember "chemtrails" was just a conspiracy theory for a long time in the general public.
     
     Also I hold a similar opinion of cloud seeding that I hold to other methods of limiting solar radiation. I think it's funny the way we ignore our direct manipulation of the climate when discussing climate change. The cow farts, not the altering of weather patterns, are responsible for the wild fires and droughts.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:20:29 JST feld

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     cloud seeding has been public for ages, though. Colorado has been actually doing it since 1972. I don't think this was ever hidden from the public.
     
     https://cwcb.colorado.gov/focus-areas/supply/weather-modification-program
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:26:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male I disagree with almost everything you said. I don't think I ever suggested that science can't be noble, but assuming that just because someone has tagged something as scientific it's automatically a good thing is :brain0: I do agree that I have more of an issue with policy makers than actual scientists. Unfortunately the modern scientific community is caught up in funding and lobbying and isn't as focused on actual science as they should be. Modern experiments often can't be replicated. Basing any worldwide decision on the results of faulty science seems like a guarantee for failure. Da Vinci wanting to fly is a personal dream that doesn't have potential for irrevocable harm to the environment.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:26:36 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere As i read your gibberish i keep thinking transistors were a bad idea. ;D
     
     On a serious note, scientific and technological pursuits are noble in their origins. If you focused, your gripe is about the people who steer and deploy the tech. Meaning the kikes, faggots and niggers usurping power for themselves.
     
     It's conceivable sooner or later, on millennia long scale we will need such solutions, might as well sketch it now. I'll refer you to Da Vinci, he feverishly dreamed of flight way before it was technologically possible.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:29:19 JST feld

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     > chemtrails
     
     I'm not aware of anyone in the USA doing it with planes, only ground stations that look like this.
     
     If you google you can find similar mechanisms attached to planes, but generally it's best to just put it up on a mountain
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:29:19 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male > Scientists in the US are flying planes into clouds to make it snow more
     
     
     CNN last year :shrug: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/weather/cloud-seeding-weather-modification-wxn/index.html
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:35:02 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere >wanting to fly is a personal dream that doesn't have potential for irrevocable harm to the environment
     > high altitude airdropped chemtrails
     Pick one. Any tech can be used for good and for bad.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:35:02 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male of course. all tech is just tools. I've never suggested tools shouldn't be built. I do question how much governments and other authorities should be allowed to use those tools against us.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:37:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male > didn't exist
     
     or weren't public knowledge. I do not believe that just because they aren't admitting to doing something that means it isn't being done.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:37:39 JST feld

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     oooh this is recent. I wasn't aware Wyoming got into this too. Looks like they started studying where to do it around 2000 and the program went live around 2010 with planes being used heavily a few years ago
     
     Their gov site lists the following states as having programs: California, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Nevada, North Dakota, Texas, Utah and Wyoming
     
     However, I'll say that all the people I know that have screamed about contrails lived in states where cloud seeding programs didn't exist
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:38:45 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @feld when you seed clouds in one area, there are other areas that will not see the rain. They aren't up there spraying more moisture into the atmosphere, just manipulating where it falls.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:38:46 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld I don't disagree in principal, especially if the desired effect is achieved.
     
     Still, these ops are very limited in range/area and quite puny to what we would need to have to possibly counter global processes.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:45:36 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld Yes, they are artificially forcing condensation with the side effect of leaving some airborne materials in atmosphere. If that means saved crops, what's the problem really?
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:45:36 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @feld "if that means saved crops"
     
     retard logic. If it saves farmer A and starves farmer B how is it helping anyone?
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:47:27 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @feld what if instead we didn't redirect so much of the water in the midwest to the desert and socal?
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:49:13 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male yeah the government is going to seed clouds for farms they didn't subsidize and leave the subsidized farms to rot :blob_laughing: (that's assuming they can control where the seeded clouds fall well enough in the first place)
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:49:14 JST feld

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     farmer A grows something we can eat, farmer B is just growing subsidized corn to be made into ethanol
     
     seems like a good trade to me
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:52:00 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male I'm game
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:52:01 JST feld

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     what if we didn't subsidize farms and just let them fail
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:52:23 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male that doesn't mean I want cloud seeding to continue
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:53:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @feld it's not like the farmer who got the rain chose the seeding location. More than likely that decision was made by government agencies with scientific input. The result is that someone who had to pay taxes gets fucked by their own money. To me that's hardly the same thing as competition between 2 farmers.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:53:11 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld Buddy, it's competition, that's one of the basic human paradoxes. Wars are being fought over taking somebody else's shit for yourself.
     
     Remotely, i want the best for you as my brother of blood, in the racial sense.
     Up close, if we compete over the same scarce resource, we both better come prepared to take it if compromise can't be achieved.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:53:33 JST white_male

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     @feld @thatguyoverthere And them let's deal with the displaced work force.
     Easy solutions everywhere you turn.
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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:57:46 JST feld

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     I don't think either of us have enough expertise in the field to know its efficacy or the risks of completely stopping it at this point. It's been going on so long do you think we're prepared to just raw dog it? heh
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:57:46 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @white_male I don't think the people doing it necessarily do either.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:58:03 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld Fine, i'll call you when i have the tool to achieve supremacy. You better call me too.
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   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 00:02:58 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld Eh, they've done it enough to have learned enough by trial and error.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 00:02:58 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @feld it's a variable that could be contributing to droughts and wild fires that is largely ignored because it's been deemed safe and effective. It's complex because there is no real way to accurately predict where the water they collect would have fallen had there been no manipulation. There may be short term gains but if it results in "the world is on fire because you eat red meat" being screamed at me it might be time to re-evaluate.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 00:16:01 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @feld I agree arson is likely responsible for a lot, but that doesn't account for droughts (some obviously natural but possibly not all) and the argument that there is more dead wood (fuel) making the fires worse which I've heard used as an explanation to link them to climate change.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 00:16:02 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld Eh, doubting on this one. It's currently surfacing that most fires are ordered/executed by retards with some twisted accelerationist logic.
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     @white_male @feld what if the accelerationists got degrees?
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 00:25:35 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld That's changing climate, regardless whether you put the blame on natural or human causes.
     We're not ready for working climate solutions either, there would be too many losers on the way.
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     @white_male @feld I don't have any issues with the theory that climate changes. It seems obvious that it would. It also seems plausible that humans *can* influence those changes. I just think that the focus seems misaligned on plebbian energy consumption instead of all the weird bullshit done in the name of government/corporate funded science, and whether we are ready for "working solutions" or not we're going to get "solutions" fed to us against our will.
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     @white_male @feld I just mean that a person who wants to see the world burn because it will convince people the world is burning could be a credentialed scientist with the ability to affect change in more nuanced ways than simply bringing a can of gas to the woods.
   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 00:28:21 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld I don't think it matter how educated a person is, large enough causes have enough members to show natural distribution in their communities. Unless you mean college brain washing, that's a given these days, but that mostly bites on gullible people.
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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:01:26 JST feld

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     > plebbian energy consumption
     
     yeah blaming the people is stupid when if everyone used 1 cup of water and 20 watts of power a day we'd still be fucked because the people aren't the problem
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   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:01:29 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @feld Ok, so let's start with cutting out planned obsolescence. I mean hard, every item doubled useful lifespan, but with current processes. That single thing demolishes the economy. Enforce upgrade on process in the remainder of the industries that survived dramatic demand reduction and much of that perishes as well.
     
     Govt will fuck it up even further, better have them play pretend they are doing anything meaningful.
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     @white_male @feld the problem is when their pretend solutions are more harmful than the thing they are trying to fix. I'd really like to see some kind of upper bounds on how much government can play.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 10:34:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @SlicerDicer @white_male except it can't actually increase rainfall. It just changes where it falls. That's kind of my point. We manipulate weather and untangling that and its side effects from the effects of co2 associated climate change seems very difficult if not impossible.
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     We do it all over the place to increase water for all purposes.
     
     https://www.ose.state.nm.us/ISC/isc_weather.php
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     https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/generation/cloud-seeding/
     
     I thought I would link this.
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   • SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 10:34:38 JST SlicerDicer

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     @thatguyoverthere @white_male Guys come on, look at the snowy mountain scheme. It’s not about this or that farmer it’s about the water storage.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 19:27:33 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @SlicerDicer @white_male I'm not sure what you mean.
   • SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 19:27:34 JST SlicerDicer

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     Well I mean thats what is happening what are we gonna do?
     
     These states have no options right now.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 00:48:54 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @SlicerDicer @white_male I will try and catch up with all of this when I have some time. One thing to note in the west is that they've dammed up and redirected water to california and the desert cities in Nevada which likely has had some impact on the natural water cycle.
     
     Generally speaking, I do not trust large scale human intervention to account for all affected variables when working with a complex system. I think we've been seeding clouds and altering the landscape in ways that alters things downstream for decades, and then we just attribute the results to warmer climates which we mostly seem to be measuring in cities which absorb (and later radiate) a lot more heat than the natural landscape would anyway.
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     But it is vanishing from our consumption and we need more water so what do you do? This is cheaper than taking mechanical energy and converting the vapor to liquid. I have proposed we do this, using solar powered algorithmic controlled water generation. It is a system I developed to generate water for hydroponics in the desert. You do not need to have water wells or ditch water.
     
     One way or another we have to come up with real solutions as we have contaminated, damaged, overused water. This has been something I have discussed for quite some time. My experience in NM and Australia has taught me a lot about water issues and management.
     
     I can say this, there is no way out of this that is clean unless we actually do something. The point? If they can get more water out of the river? They don't have to pay off farmers for their water. Remember too they pay them a enormous amount for the water too. So it is not like the farmers are not willfully selling the water they know what it means. Lots of them are getting older and no one to take over so why not? Just consider those angles too.
     
     https://e360.yale.edu/features/warming-and-drought-take-a-toll-on-the-once-mighty-rio-grande
   • SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 00:48:56 JST SlicerDicer

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     Well you look at new mexico, they have the monsoon fail. Santa Fe is at like 0% capacity left as the volume has dropped. What do you do? Mass evacuations or try to get more water?
     
     Those are the options. The entire thing gets more and more dire every year too. You can stop watering the golf courses and grass all you want. I have seen the results when it gets that dry in Australia when they had to bring in emergency desal and water. It was nuts there for a while. These problems only get larger as population gets larger.
     
     Do a computation of the absolute humidity, then compare to historical. The water is still there it is just not being released.
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     This was the creative options they did before the water really stopped coming.
     
     https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/santa-fe-considers-options-in-water-rights-game/article_40085018-ec76-11ea-828a-cf86764a018e.html
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 01:18:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @SlicerDicer you say "We've been doing it for years we know what it's doing". I say "we've been doing it for years but it's causing harm we attribute to other things" :shrugz:
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     @thatguyoverthere @SlicerDicer Of course we have, we have been seeding since at least the 50’s. It is just more serious now. They’ve been doing it for 20+ years in Australia so not like we don’t know what it does. Just look around at all the companies, government legislation all that. To think it’s new or untested. We know what we are doing. We know what it does. It’s not unknown science just as it’s new to the public for real. Conspiracy of weather modification isn’t how it works.
     
     Dr evil flying contrails. That does nothing.
     
     Idiot flying in with special road flares? Works. Direct targeted to that cloud.
     
     Also keep in mind the climate record sites are graded. They meet requirements. That’s a fact to. Thinking we use heat island to inflate the numbers is a grave error.
     
     Man made bodies of water are known to modify water patterns yes. However with that? I ask you to go count the dead then. Then compare to today what it would be with uncontrollable rivers. It was bad. Half my wife’s family died back in the early 1900’s from a flood in Pueblo Colorado.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 01:27:41 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @feld @SlicerDicer some of it is stuff you think is attributable to carbon emissions. I think it's obvious that large scale terraforming type practices would have complex side effects. I think we do things in the name of science and prevention of harm that do more harm than good all the time, especially when government gets involved. All you need to do is look through history to see plenty of examples.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 01:27:42 JST feld

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     Where is your evidence of harm?
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     @feld @SlicerDicer you are right though, some scientists have said "no negative side effects" so I'm sure it's probably safe and effective
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 01:49:39 JST feld

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     Provide direct evidence of the cause and effect, please.
     
     Is it possible there are negative externalities? Sure, always a possibility.
     
     Do I think our very good weather models would have noticed it by now? Or our satellites picked up anomalies around the areas we have done the seeding? Absolutely.
     
     We know what water and water vapor does. Do you really think we've overlooked it and focused on co2, methane, so2, etc by mistake?
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     @feld @SlicerDicer > mistake
     
     I'm more cynical.
     
     I think the focus on emissions is very likely an attempt to increase control over populations and justify more spending.
     
     That said even with cloud seeding we can't exactly predict weather with much accuracy. Meteorologists can only be trusted to get it right a few hours in advance. The storm that ripped through here a month or 2 ago was completely missed by all predictions. Almost every day the chance of rain is between 40 and 60%. I can make those predictions better by looking at the sky.
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     @feld @SlicerDicer my point was simply that we don't have these fantastic models you are saying would necessarily expose any damage done by cloud seeding. the damage is very likely not directly attributable to a single event (years of seeding altering patterns enough to make other areas drier). Until I can trust the weather man to tell me when I need to cover the equipment I will remain skeptical of our ability to accurately predict the effects of our own actions.
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     > That said even with cloud seeding we can't exactly predict weather with much accuracy.
     
     I don't think these two ideas should be conflated. Predicting natural precipitation events when there isn't a huge storm system is tricky because of the amount of variables AIUI.
     
     When we do seeding we know the humidity is there and it will work -- the physics are straightforward.
     
     And we're good at it. We used it very effectively in Vietnam.
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Stormfury
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     @SlicerDicer @feld > heat wave
     
     man this is the MOST MILD August I have ever lived through. Considering how hot it was in July I was worried about how we were going to fare in August.
     
     I think the problem I have is that I do not trust the people providing the numbers. I get that too much co2 in the water can be a problem for life. I don't necessarily believe that burning stuff is the only way we get that. I also think decreasing life that consumes co2 has that effect, and at least around me there are farms and forests being chopped down for more housing developments every year. This to me is far more likely to be a problem than whatever fuel we use to drive around or power our homes. Even just the amount of sand harvested from rivers and oceans to build roads and parking lots and sky scrapers is much more likely to be a problem for sea life than cow farts.
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     I get that, it does appear that way.
     
     The emissions is going to force us to spend more, thus justify more spending. Sorry thats the way it works. I mean legit, I can show you whats going on down here and it will tear your soul out. It is better to trust the math, the math you can do.
     
     Go take a soda, you drink it taste it?
     Now take a flat soda, drink it? taste it?
     
     What changed? Acidity, from the carbon dioxide. Add carbon dioxide back? Boom it tastes normal again.
     
     These evidences are in your daily life. These forces exert on nature. That is what is happening. Expect more terraforming and more cost is my point. These balances I see must be corrected or they will be extremely problematic.
     
     At what ppm of co2 does the acidity become terminal for our entire global fisheries? What does the heat we are experiencing do to metabolic rate and species of life we have now? How does that interact with the ecosystem?
     
     These are serious problems and well we can do away with the water issue at least for now? By making something work that gives us clean drinking water and crop water? I think that is the best course. Otherwise its el dehydrato and diededed.
     
     The question at this point should not be how much spending is justified vs can we actually afford this without starving or running out of water.
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     @feld @SlicerDicer i think cities are a blight on this planet
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     By that logic you should also be concerned that skyscrapers are affecting the tradewinds
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     @SlicerDicer @feld > we tried to make it rain here and it did
     
     Where else might it have rained if it hadn't rained in that spot. No way to tell. None. It's likely not even something they'd try and predict. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we necessarily should
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     >> Until I can trust the weather man to tell me when I need to cover the equipment I will remain skeptical of our ability to accurately predict the effects of our own actions.
     
     This is asking way too much of computers and forecasts. That is different than targeting specific clouds and seeding them. It is not a gamble or unknown. With that, you then can test the soil, test the water. You cannot test the forecast in the same way.
     
     One is hypothetical prediction the other is actual real world use and testing that effect.
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     @SlicerDicer @feld this was just in response to whether I thought sky scrapers might interfere with trade winds. I wouldn't rule it out. They likely have some kind of impact if they are tall enough. I think there are plenty of other problems with cities without that issue, not the least of which is the amount of resources required to build them.
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     be that as it may that offers no solution or correction to the problems we are facing that are viable.
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     @feld @SlicerDicer by saying it's likely they wouldn't try to predict a thing they couldn't prove or disprove definitively I've made my identity "empty cynicism"? color me confused
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     > It's likely not even something they'd try and predict.
     
     this right here undermines your entire statement because you're just guessing what they're doing. You've made empty cynicism your entire identity instead
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     @SlicerDicer @feld they don't always fly into a big fluffly cloud. Seeding is done to encourage clouds to form where none were forming too. What I am saying seems like it should be pretty plain and basic. If I expedite the process of cloud formation over a space and it rains earlier than it would have naturally rained, the wind would very likely have moved some of that moisture to other areas and clouds would have formed elsewhere.
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     >> Where else might it have rained if it hadn't rained in that spot. No way to tell. None. It's likely not even something they'd try and predict. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we necessarily should
     
     Are you trying to say the pilot flying into the cloud cannot identify its a cloud? therefore the entire thing is invalid? I am not clear what point you are making. The theoretical vs actually seeing what you are doing in real time is a major difference.
     
     Therefore flying into clouds knowing what they are that you can see? when the rainfall is going to fall or snowfall over the location that is desired? Then the retard with flares flies up and flips switches inside a cloud.
     
     Are you saying we should be terrified of road flares?
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     Urban sprawl is a serious problem, I do not have solutions for that other than density. That comes with its own problems.
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     You are misinformed, you cannot make a cloud form that is not formed create moisture to precipitate.
     
     That is also why they have more than one flare.
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     @SlicerDicer @feld ok if you say so. I swear it was you a week or 2 ago that said they never even use cloud seeding but I don't feel like digging it up. now you are an expert. it's amazing how quick they grow up.
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     @SlicerDicer @feld I really do have to go be productive now. it's been a fun chat. I remain skeptical that cloud seeding is good for the planet but eating beef and driving is bad.
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     @olmitch @SlicerDicer @feld yeah I just think we need to accept that the world has always had a climate cycle that is likely influenced by far more variables than we account for in any of our models, and I doubt that people who have the means to make these decisions are always right. Often times it seems historically those people have been wrong.
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     I remain skeptical that people are being intellectually honest when they say "good for the planet". What you really mean is "relevant to keeping the climate and conditions I'm accustomed to" There was a period where the entire earth's surface was just layers of fallen timber ffs. The bacteria to dissolve the wood didn't exist yet.
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     @olmitch @SlicerDicer @feld yah but when you mention that volcanos might be connected to solar cycles which could account for some of the ocean acidification especially around the poles where I think there has been an uptick in volcanic activity then you're going against the human caused climate change narrative.
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     @thatguyoverthere @SlicerDicer @feld *agent smith voice* ITS THE SUN
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch there couldn't possibly be an interplay of forces
     
     > The historical record of large volcanic eruptions from 1500 to 1980, as contained in two recent eruption catalogs, is subjected to detailed time series analysis. Two weak, but probably statistically significant, periodicities of ∼11 and ∼80 years are detected. Both cycles appear to correlate with well-known cycles of solar activity; the phasing is such that the frequency of volcanic eruptions increases (decreases) slightly around the times of solar minimum (maximum).
     
     https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/JB094iB12p17371
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     > yah but when you mention that volcanos might be connected to solar cycles
     
     well yeah because you'd be wrong -- they're connected to the carbon cycles
     
     https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2023/08/carbon-dioxide-not-water-triggers-explosive-volcanoes
     
     http://butane.chem.uiuc.edu/pshapley/environmental/l24/3.html
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch it's one of several I've seen over the years, but as with many papers you need money or credentials to actually read the full paper. Of course the work to produce the paper was also likely funded by the tax dollar.
     
     At minimum it points at a correlation between the solar cycle and volcanic activity.
     
     It really shouldn't be a giant mystery that solar weather impacts the earth, although all of the ways it may do so probably aren't fully understood.
     
     Why? Have you? Do they somehow in conflict with the abstract in that paper? It's not the only place I've seen this correlation so whatever if it turns out to be junk I guess.
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     did you read that entire paper or just the summary? serious question
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch It's cool that you can pull papers. My point was simply that a connection exists which you said did not. I was not claiming that they are the source of all pain. I do think there can be at least some responsibility for oceanic acidification laid at the feet of underwater volcanoes. I also don't think only the large volcanic eruptions necessarily have any impact. ignoring long running gas escape is weirdly selective.
     
     My position seems to me quite reasonable. There are a number of complex systems interacting, and I think some people are attempting to make prescriptions for symptoms that we may be attributing to the wrong things. That doesn't mean that there is one other thing that can be held responsible. Since it's a system of systems, it's quite possible that it's multiple interactions that cause things like droughts and wild fires.
     
     The assumption that you can pick a single element from the periodic table and say this guy is causing all the worlds problems, (but only sometimes, like when the poors are the ones emitting it) is nonsense to me. The same goes for the idea that the planet's climate should be static now that we're in charge.
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     I pulled the paper. The abstract is missing the most important part at the end (with images of other chunks that are quite important to pull into context)
     
     End of summary:
     
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     tively random events, and the two small quasi-periodic components are difficult to quantify, especially in terms of aerosol production. In addition, an isolated volcanic erup- tion of large magnitude can have a temporary climatic impact much greater than that due to the mean volcanic background [Rampinoetal., 1988].In spite of these problems and of the remaining possibility that the derived quasi-periodicities are just statistical artifacts, appropriate volcanic forcing terms will have to be included in future global climate modeling. The present results provide a first reconnaissanceof the statistical problems involved.
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     I just do not understand why this would be trusted out of sight with this much randomness. Is it because it sounds good and its not "that problem"
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     @SlicerDicer @feld @olmitch > trusted out of site
     
     wtf are you talking about? it's a single paper (it's not the only one if you look) and all it does in the context of this is support the idea that there appears to be a connection between solar weather and earth weather (something that intuitively doesn't seem far fetched). I'm not changing my life based on the abstract of a paper I can't read. It's over 30 years old at this point. It's not new information.
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     @thatguyoverthere @SlicerDicer @feld for the record I grew bored of this topic at least an hour ago
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     @SlicerDicer @feld @olmitch you are still talking about one symptom and just because doing x causes y doesn't mean doing w wouldn't also do y
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     >> The assumption that you can pick a single element from the periodic table and say this guy is causing all the worlds problems.
     
     I have told you that you can test it in your house. What more do you want? If you need to know exactly how I can tell you how.
     
     This is not something that has any debate its fact. There is only two ways to deal with this. Increase the calcium and neutralize the acid or remove the co2. 90% of the CO2 goes in the water.
     
     https://yodabbadabba.com/dabbing-resources/co2-extraction/
     
     its one of the most powerful solvents you can imagine.
     
     https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK431100/
     
     There you go there is that on how it works with solubility.
     
     https://byjus.com/chemistry/carbonic-acid/
     
     This shows how we have it in our daily lives we just do not know.
     
     It is when we change the balance in the ocean that it is the problem.
     
     https://dept.harpercollege.edu/chemistry/chm/100/dgodambe/thedisk/bloodbuf/zback2.htm
     
     Lest we not forget this is how we breathe. The same process that makes the ocean absorb co2 and make acid? is how we diffuse co2 out of our bodies.
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch what? I'm saying an isolated test to determine whether or not CO2 causes acidification and therefore breakdown of coral skeletal remains does not prove "global warming is real". It doesn't show the source of the CO2 in the oceans, and it doesn't show that any of the large scale global actions we are taking actually solve it.
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     Are you saying we've gotten this all wrong and there's something new that's going to be discovered in chemistry/physics that explodes our knowledge of how the basic building blocks of the universe works?
     
     Is that your W ?
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     @SlicerDicer @feld @olmitch > implications for our food
     
     I grow my own for the most part. I recommend most people do the same.
     
     The government and scientists created killer bees. Killer bees are killing regular bees and aren't as good at pollinating. That is also a problem for our food. I'd rather not keep letting them "fix" problems.
     
     I believe you that CO2 + water is carbonic acid. I don't need to replicate the experiment to accept that it's a reality. I'm not sure why you keep pushing it like it somehow proves everything outside of the fact that chemical reactions occur.
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     One single symptom yes, the implications for our food are beyond comprehension. It is one I can prove to you, that you can do in your own house. That is why I use it as a example. You can do this yourself.
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch > at least some
     < major contributor
     
     my words when: 🥨
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     > I do think there can be at least some responsibility for oceanic acidification laid at the feet of underwater volcanoes. I also don't think only the large volcanic eruptions necessarily have any impact. ignoring long running gas escape is weirdly selective.
     
     Volcanoes are scary as hell. Yes, that absolutely cause changes in climate. We have measured their climate altering changes. We need to be very very aware of what they're doing, and we do monitor them from space.
     
     Now the underwater ones... yeah, that's a serious issue. They're hard to monitor and we haven't even identified them all. But blaming them as a major contributor to ocean acidification is silly. We'd have noticed all the water below the thermocline has become increasingly acidic. And where could that acidity be coming from? Volcanoes. But that's not what the data shows?
     
     @SlicerDicer knows more about that than I do though
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch generally speaking, even when I am talking about issues where I might consider myself to be more experienced, I try to choose my words carefully in a way that doesn't say more than I intend to. Sometimes I fail, but when people take my words and twist them into something I didn't say it kind of derails the conversation.
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     you keep going "What about" and pointing in directions that you think nobody is looking. "What about volcanoes?"
     
     Yeah, we know about them. Do you think volcanoes are doing more damage to the environment than humans and somehow we're too stupid to notice? Do you think we can't measure that? It's weird how you keep thinking there are these edge cases nobody is looking at
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     @feld @SlicerDicer @olmitch > do you think we're too stupid to notice
     it's certainly a possibility. I think people are full of hubris. I don't think scientists and politicians are excluded from that. I think when people say they want to do something that impacts the entire planet they are acting in a way that I would say might be characterized as psychopathic.
     
     I point out several different things, mostly because I think there are ways that one may influence another or combining the effects may amplify the numbers gathered in ways that may not be entirely accurate (for example the fact that so much temperature reporting is focused on cities where it's always hotter and we are constantly changing other things that could increase that heat differential), and I do have doubts that we've carefully evaluated the ways complex systems interact. Most of the time people are focused on trying to isolate a problem, but I don't think you can do that well in an open system. Most studies also take place over fairly short time periods.
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     @SlicerDicer @feld @olmitch no I am talking about intentionally making changes to the planet, not unintended consequences of activity. It's like, let's just say I buy that carbon emissions were as bad as so many suggest. That still doesn't justify limiting the amount of sunlight we have access to on the surface. In fact it seems like less sunlight means less natural sequestration via plants. So while I have no doubt it would lower the temperature, the result would likely be a net increase in CO2 in the atmosphere and oceans, especially if we simultaneously expand cities and kill off more plant life.
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     >> I think when people say they want to do something that impacts the entire planet they are acting in a way that I would say might be characterized as psychopathic.
     
     And that is what we have already done. Not doing we DID it already.
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