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The real issue with Jews as a whole is that they're constantly stuck in the 1930s, and so any attempt to get them to rein things in, even if it's obviously necessary and intended for their own good, is seen as the beginnings of genocide.
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@admin I reject the deterministic view here, there's definitely individual Jews capable of reason, but it is true that for the majority mob behavior inevitably prevails.
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@ArdainianRight Jews are genetically hardwired to reflexively seek out, attack, and destroy white people wherever and whenever they are able. Their psychology and their predisposition has been imbued into their DNA through thousands of years of inbreeding and religious ritual. Any external attempts to dissuade or reason with them are simply futile, because a Jew can no more change the genetic coding that governs its impulses than can any other pathogen.
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@admin @Rasterman Being abrasive, neurotic, and insular I think explains things well enough. There's plenty of lower-level traits that explain their unpopularity without assuming subversion itself is a hard-wired trait.
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@Rasterman @ArdainianRight I simply take the empirical evidence for what it is. 109 wholesale expulsions from places as geographically and culturally opposite as Lisbon Portugal to KaiFeng China, and literally every place in between the two, is more than mere coincidence. Sometimes it simply is the case of where there is smoke there is fire.
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@admin @ArdainianRight Based. You sure showed that jew lover what's what. 💪 :chad:
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@admin @Rasterman Do Jews actually give a shit about the Talmud? My impression as an outsider is that Reform Judaism is a fake clownshoes religion that's basically Unitarianism with a little Hebrew sprinkled in, and has no meaningful connection to any part of the Jewish tradition, good or bad, outside of a vague sense of being the Chosen People.
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@ArdainianRight @Rasterman They read the Talmud to there infants while still in the crib, and even do so when the mother is pregnant. Babies will absorb what is repeated to them even if they aren’t cognitively able to comprehend it, and they will subconsciously internalize it as they develop. Additionally, Ashkenazim are a particularly small gene pool. As such, they have an extremely high relationship coefficient. In fact, there’s a study that points to Ashkenazi Jews as essentially being all second or third cousins to one another. That’s definitely adequate to inherit psychological characteristics that manifest in the form of behavioral predispositions.
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@admin @Rasterman I'm talking about the vast majority of Jews, who are secularized leftists. Orthodox/Hasidim I assume still care. Note that I agree with the perception that most right-wing Jews are unabashedly ethnocentric and happy to screw over everyone else for the benefit of their own tribe. Leftist Jews act as suicidal universalists and are happy to poison themselves along with everyone else. I feel like the dramatic contrast and shift between the two extremes makes me uncertain as to how much of their behavior is in fact universally genetically hardwired.
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@ArdainianRight @Rasterman I couldn’t say how highly they value the Talmud over any of their other religious texts, but in NYC for example, you see those Hasidim always carrying a copy of the Talmud with them wherever they go.
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"Jews suck, but different groups of Jews suck for different and sometimes incompatible reasons, so I'm not convinced they're all genetically hardwired to act the same." isn't exactly a philosemitic take.
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@ArdainianRight @admin One usually has to go to breadtube for this kind of quality content. :pepe_newspaper:
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@ArdainianRight @Rasterman There’s a small but measurable chasm between conservative and liberal Jews, but virtually all of them demonstrate considerable in-group preference, particularly in matters of political consequence. So I have to believe there’s a genetic baseline established to some degree.
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@admin @Rasterman They do snap together out of fear of persecution. Specifically when it has anything to do with white organization. They don't have the same level of unity when it comes to Farrakhan et. al. I think it's driven by the whole of their culture and identity revolving around The Holocaust, so they see Hitler always lurking underneath the surface of white society, and high neuroticism only magnifies this.
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@admin @Rasterman If it were purely innate in-group preference shitlib Jews wouldn't be so quick to throw their own under the bus when they get attacked by brownoids. Blacks don't do that even when the Oppression Hierarchy demands it. They sided with Chapelle over trannies, and while some may have been afraid of speaking up too loudly, they sided with Kanye and Kyrie over the ADL.
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@ArdainianRight @Rasterman They essentially regard the thought of two white people anywhere in the world so much as speaking to each other uncensored and unmoderated, as an antisemitic conspiracy.
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@mia @Rasterman @admin I think there are two superficially similar sets of behaviors that below the surface are driven by fundamentally opposite worldviews. The traditional Jewish worldview sees themselves as Chosen, so they must live apart from the rest of the world to keep themselves pure. They often look down on outsiders as cattle to be milked within a diaspora context. This is what drives Israel and more Orthodox Jews.
The modern "reform" mindset is that because the Jews are the Chosen, they must go out into the world as the messiahs of the oppressed, and remake the world in their own image. It's the difference between the old Puritans and the Progressives of the 19th and early 20th Centuries.
Admittedly there is a lot of overlap between the two archetypes, and the personality traits that put them in that territory are innate, but in the two cases their interaction with and exploitation of outsiders is done in two distinct ways for distinct reasons. Both rightly draw negative backlash and persecution, but the latter is far more pervasive, subversive, and destructive.
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@ArdainianRight @admin @Rasterman
Abrasive, neurotic, and insular seem to cumulatively equal subversion, so if the previous are inherent, the latter seems to be as well. Point in case: American Jews took a gift and decided race war and communism was the best path forward.
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The result of the modern jewish schism, which is what occurred with the formation of the reform movement, was that the quintessential neurotic jewish traits were applied recursively, and then externally. e.g. First establishing a new sanhedrin (roughly analogous to a new caliphate) and then putting women rabbis at the head of it ensured that it would mature into the anti-White, openly communist, and anti-traditionalist sect seen today. I think we largely agree on this if I understand your point about Progressives of the 19th and early 20th Centuries.
The main point is the question though, specifically, how is the cumulative effect of this abrasive, neurotic insularity not equal, effectively, to subversion outright? It clearly ends in subversion either way.
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@mia @Rasterman @admin At least theoretically the insular Jew could be satisfied with a separatist ethnostate capable of coexisting with everyone else.
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@mia @Rasterman @admin It's also worth noting that the subversive archetype also started popping up among whites in modernity, and while Jews accelerated things, there seem to be some bigger problems that would eventually lead us to more or less the same place.
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@RadLola @admin Yes, Jews are very smart, but being smart isn't always the same as being level-headed and judicious. If you're using your smarts to go down neurotic dead ends it doesn't do much good. However, the Jews who've been able to look at the bigger picture and take a more balanced view of things have done invaluable work.
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@ArdainianRight @admin "Jews capable of reason" Aren't ashkenazi jews the smartest group of people?
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