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@ShockTohp @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean Most fruit seeds will need a cold stratification period (simulate winter) and maybe even a little abrasion before they will sprout.
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@thatguyoverthere @ShockTohp @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean i did a quick search on the internet about trying to sprout fruit from the store, and most of that stuff is put in cold storage for a decent ammount of time befoe you ever even get it so you can attempt to sprout anything out of a store right away, that being said you're still not guarenteed germination due to most commercial fruits and vegetables being picked early so they cna be shipped.
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@Zealist @thatguyoverthere @ShockTohp @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean look into growing cuttings, you don't need to worry about hybrids and once you learn about different types of cuttings, you can just walk around wherever you are gathering cuttings of different things to root. turnaround time is lower than trying to grow stuff like fruit trees, and you can get started with a pretty simple setup and expand from there if you like it.
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@EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I cloned one of my grapes this year. I also potted a few roots from my raspberries and am working on propagating a new boysenberry into a pot. I also turned 4 strawberry plants into 10 this year, a few of which are in pots to be moved to another spot or sold off.
I'd love to try and clone a redbud. They are really beautiful in the spring, and they are a legume which I'm sure could really help feed some other plants if I got it worked into my hedge or something.
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@EssentialUtinsil @thatguyoverthere @ShockTohp @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean funny enough i am learning about propagating uttings with succulents atm
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@thatguyoverthere @EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp that's wonderful, keep up the good work.
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@Zealist @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @EssentialUtinsil @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp we even get a few ducklings every year. These were hatched by a momma, but we also had a good turnout in the incubator this year for ducks. All but one have been sold (I think probably to a restaurant owner)
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@Zealist @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @EssentialUtinsil @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp here are a few of the raspberries. I have several more but they are no where near as impressive yet.
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@thatguyoverthere @Zealist @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I trained my toddler how to find eggs too well and he won't leave any for moms to hatch lol.
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@EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I have a tot to send hunting for eggs too, but I've been able to teach him that when a momma is sitting we don't bother her. This particular momma actually can't be contained (she's small and can fly) so she just leaves the pen to start a nest. She had 2 nests this year, but the first one was discovered by an escaped chicken or 2 and they were adding to her pile until there was more egg than duck. The second try she did a much better job of concealing her nest and popped out with 15 ducklings one day. We lost 2 to nature, but now she has 13 babes who are really having a good time in my crappy little pond. I think the lady who bought the others is wanting to pick them up today too.
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@thatguyoverthere @Zealist @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I have a huge patch now that came from a few roots my parents brought me years ago. plant printer go burrrrr
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@EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp yeah these I bought from a nursery a few years back. I dug out a section of hedge and planted these and blueberries together only to find out 2 years later that they don't really get along. I lost 4 blueberries in that lesson. Anyway I transplanted the blueberries and both of them really took off. The blueberries are companioning with strawberries now and that mix seems to be working much better. I also have yellow raspberries, and this is the first year that they've been jumping as far from the mother which led to a much better harvest this year so far. I'm actually kind of surprised it's still fruiting to be honest.
Last year I tossed a few blackberries into the hedge here too and they are pushing up some nice canes now. I also have some places around the yard where I've disposed of some of the runners from here that actually took off. I'm not really sure how many different varieties or individual berry bushes I have now actually because we also have a couple "wild" berries I tend to. I'm actually thinking about cloning one of them because it's kind of in a shitty spot and I think it would be good to get it out of where it is, but the berries are quite good and I don't want to lose them.
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@thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp he keeps grabbing them that none of the hens have been able to start sitting. I'm gonna put some nest boxes in (they currently just nest on the barn floor) and hope it helps to teach him 'not those eggs'
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@EssentialUtinsil @thatguyoverthere @Zealist @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp Rhizomes is the coolest and most frustrating thing about plants. Getting tired of this creeper ivy stealing my yard.
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@BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @EssentialUtinsil @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I consider ivy as a kind of placeholder. When I need the space for something more substantial I just rip it out and let it grow back slowly. It helps keep the soil cool so as long as it isn't killing your stuff it can be a boost.
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@thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp If I can get 2 or 3 nests going in the next month I'll still be fine for meat this year, I had a good year last year and we're still working on all the meat.
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@EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I was really hoping my turkey hen was going to be successful sitting this year, but for some reason nothing under her hatched. I had an egg eater in the coop for a little bit and it's possible she messed with the eggs. I have to kick her off the nest and clean it up at this point. I did manage to hatch 2 turkeys in the incubator so at least we have thanksgiving covered. I would have liked to get some of those chickens she was sitting on. I have a hen that's gone broody (not sitting on eggs) that I might give a few eggs and see how she does. I found out the egg eater is probably blind (she has some damage to her eyes from the looks of it) so for now I have her in a separate cage until I have a few more birds to cull. She's a pretty bird. It's a shame she has chosen this path, but I get it considering finding food out in the yard may be near impossible.
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@thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @EssentialUtinsil @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp When I heard a gardener describe weeds as nature's immune system, it made a lot of sense.
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@BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @EssentialUtinsil @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp yeah that's kind of how I try to look at them. I've heard them referred to as "pioneer plants" too. The invasive kind sometimes need intervention, but a lot of the time what weeds are growing can tell you a bit about the soil. Many of them help to restore crap soil and grow in places where other stuff won't or can't do well. Also nature absolutely detests bare soil and will do everything to avoid it.
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@BowsacNoodle @thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp this is something that various permaculture systems teach. different weeds will germinate in different conditions, and tell you about the soil. for example, sometimes taprooted weeds/thorny weeds grow where the soil is compacted, they help break up the soil, add aeration, and keep things from further compacting it.
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@EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp
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@EssentialUtinsil @thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp I found the comparison really interesting because all the reasons you mentioned can be metaphorically put into the perspective of looking at it as a living thing trying for homeostasis. Taproot would be like you said, where the system is too compacted for other things. Acidic or alkaline soils will enable growth of other things, as will deficiency or excess of minerals and moisture. The first responding pioneer species (generally weeds) make the soil more hospitable to other things by fixing nitrogen, normalizing pH, breaking up chat, etc. What interests me is using those pioneers as a shortcut to soil engineering. Obviously you don't want things which will outcompete your desired plants, which most c4 plants (grasses and weeds) will do, but I think there's potential for letting them grow and do their thing for a bit before pulling the weed and creating a "tea" from it for natural fertilizer.
If something is good at fixing acidic soil, like dandelions, I would assume they produce reducing agents in some way -or- they pull acid from the soil. If this hasn't been done (I'm sure it has), I'd like to test this by isolating various parts of a dandelion— taproot, stems, leaves, immature (yellow), and mature flowers (white)— in distilled water. A few samples of each, as well as a few "whole dandelion" and water controls. Ultimately looking if any part of the plant appears to be an acid or alkaline sink and looking at "brewing" bunches of that to adjust soil. For example, if I found out that dandelion flowers are super acidic and in the process of creating those the plant is sucking out a ton of acid from the soil and raising soil pH, and maybe the stems are alkaline, I would look at treating acidic soil by plucking dandelion flowers from the stem up, pulling off the heads to eat or discard accordingly, brewing the stems to extract all the alkalinity, pouring the stem-tea and stem paste into the soil, and letting the tap roots stay so they could repeat the process.
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@BowsacNoodle @thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp it's been a while since I've been into it, but this was a huge topic in permaculture, and people that I used to follow have done a lot of research and experimentation with this. Jeff Lawton in particular was very big on working with weeds/pioneer species to condition soil, but also the need to understand your local ecosystem and find stuff that you can work with, instead of against (to your point).
Another adjacent topic is how to use livestock systems to improve and restore large areas of soil, this is a sort of holy grail of permaculture since modern factory farming/livestock systems are extremely destructive to the soil and pose a huge risk to our food security since we've become so completely reliant on these methods.
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@EssentialUtinsil @BowsacNoodle @thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp Apprently chickens do enjoy eating some of the weeds
Ive seen videos of people using Goats and Chickens to de weed
then using pigs to till the land
Then they plant a crop
Also wabbits apparently are good poop for fertilizer
This seems like a good little project
to make a herb garden
yewtu.be/watch?v=W22iL8ONBz8&listen=false
and this
for tomatoes
yewtu.be/watch?v=BsvwFEE21CU
I would like a little outside water fountain
to supply rain water for the birdies
which could be setup without a pump
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @EssentialUtinsil @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @ShockTohp yeah even if they don't like the plant itself, they (chickens) will likely scratch at the roots in search of bugs and can do a really good job weeding a space. Ducks also root around in mud in search of treats.
Joel Salatin uses chickens to spread manure on his pastures. He follows his cows a few days behind (enough time for flies to find the manure and lay eggs). The chickens scratch the manure in search of larvae. Cow manure is like rabbit in that it can be used without having to compost it yet (chicken and pig manure can burn plants if used without breaking down first).
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