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If you get Pavlov-ed, so whenever you hear a bell your mouth waters, that's irrational. If you live in a house where you get electrocuted whenever you move through a door, but now you live in a different house without that, then being scared of doors would be irrational.
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@MercurialBlack @ai @hidden if ever time the bell rings, for many weeks, food is delivered, for how many days is it rational to believe it is more efficient to preemptively salvivate despite meals ceasing to come?
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@ai @MercurialBlack @hidden @roboneko you wontlike to hear this but ricks have qualia too
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@gav @MercurialBlack @hidden @roboneko
Try me babe 💅 (I have posted before about how I am a panpsychist)
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@roboneko @ai @hidden @MercurialBlack i said on another comment this a problem of the word rational, are unthought things irrational? their are more counscious habits and you can consciously unmake habits so you can accelerate or decelerate the unduing of a pavloving response of you think it was a transient thing and its time was up so youd be making a rational evaluation but the dog wouldnt but the dog wouldnt be wrong in its rationality it just wouldnt be producing extra actions with rationality so can you say its doing anything irrational by not even considering to accelerate the end of its salivation habit?
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@gav @roboneko @MercurialBlack @hidden
Slightly facetious take: the theory of "bounded rationality," i.e. rationality bounded by the available computational resources, forces us to consider inanimate objects (e.g. rocks) as being rational, for they have no computation
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@gav @ai @hidden @MercurialBlack
> for how many days is it rational to believe
that's the trouble. you aren't analyzing the currently available information and coming to a conclusion. there's no belief to be had. there's just a response to a stimulus. no thought. no rationality
the mechanics of conditioning itself can be advantageous to an organism at the population level. so in that sense if we were designing a system from scratch and we added a conditioning mechanism that could well be a rational decision to make. but the mechanism itself, when in action in the wild, does not involve rational thought
so a given occurrence of a phobia can never be rational, but the presence of the underlying mechanism might be a net benefit to your well being when considered over your entire lifetime. this can also separately be assessed at the population level. further, at any given point in time the occurrence of a particular phobia in an individual could be judged as a net benefit (ex spiders in australia) or a net negative
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@ai @MercurialBlack @hidden @roboneko sentience counsciiousness having thought basically the same thing its just a metaphysical object, rocks have meta qualities, rocks are thinking, just really slowly and in not a lot of different ways
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