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1. hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Thursday, 20-Apr-2023 23:08:47 JST Hyolobrika

   Even people who merely have a passing interest in psychiatry are fucking control freaks.

   https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZiQqsgGX6a42Sfpii/the-apologist-and-the-revolutionary

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 20-Apr-2023 23:10:31 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @Hyolobrika The article is interesting right up until they start talking about their rivals being the same as the stroke patient who suffered literal brain damage because they believe something different.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 00:21:02 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @Hyolobrika I'd say arguing that it's irrational to believe the universe may have a creator is labeling people who may have perfectly rational reasons for believing in a creator as irrational because they have a different view point. Perhaps not the same as a stroke patient sure, still it's an attack on the person instead of their idea, and it's classifying them as needing adjustment. I think that if a person suffered from a condition that detached them from reality and a squirt of water in the ear might bring them back that might be acceptable in a particular setting (a doctor who has been charged to help you recover), but I do mostly agree with you that . The idea that it might be acceptable to do that to some random person you disagree with is quite different to me.
   • hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 00:21:03 JST Hyolobrika

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     They don't say they are literally the same. They say there is something in common with both of them: that they both believe irrational things and should update their beliefs. The difference is one of degree, not of kind.
     The problem is not that they have the wrong *targets* (creationists instead of just mentally ill people). The problem is that they have the wrong *tactics* (forcing medical interventions on unwilling participants).

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 03:36:50 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @Hyolobrika lol yeah that's what I said. 🙄
     
     when did I say there are no bad tactics? who says I have never been institutionalized? You literally know next to nothing about me.
   • hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 03:36:51 JST Hyolobrika

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     You think there are no bad tactics, only bad targets. I disagree.
     If you think tyranny is acceptable against people who aren't like you but isn't acceptable against people who are like you, then you are fundamentally a hypocrite and I will cheer when the tables are turned.
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