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1. ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 06:05:36 JST ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️

   • Jean_Philippe_Micheaux
   • Lichelord Godfrey
   • Troubled Turtle :verified:
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   @troubledturtle @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @charlie_root @lichelordgodfrey I don't accept Enoch as inspired by the Holy Spirit. Even reading the first few verses, Enoch boosts about himself being righteous, which I expect of a wicked man and not of a Godly one (James 4:6).
   
   Discounting that and anything that book has to say. The main inspired books on the fallen sons of God and the Nephilim subject, Genesis, 2 Peter, and Jude have this to say in detail:
   
   1. The angels are only called "sons of God" in the main narrative, and not the pseudo-Enochian term "Watchers". Sons of God is a collective term for the people in heaven, regardless of what position, role, or form, and includes both male and female angels due to how collective nouns worked in the ancient Near East. This means a variety of spirits, great and lesser, consorted with "the daughters of men"
   
   2. They were not part of the initial rebellion of Satan. But it is clear they had evil in their hearts that allowed them to fall, unlike the other angels that are still with the Lord.
   
   3. The two NT books treat these demons as extremely evil, comparable to the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, but worse. They, being made in the image God ("Let us make man in our image" is spoken to God the Spirit and God the Son, but also to angels) male and female. They were probably given angelic spouses who were far better than the "daughters of men" who were sinners among other problems. Despite the blessings, pleasures, and joys given to them. These sons of God choose to commit the moral equivalent to bestiality and sodomy (Jude 1:6-7) for turning their natural sexual desire away from perfect gifts God gave them to unnaturally what they ought not touch at all.
   
   They had sexual desire (Genesis 6:2) and they extremely abused it. Other obvious sins that were committed include adultery, polygamy, treason, blasphemy, and ingratitude.
   
   4. Unlike demons who rebelled with Satan who are running about in heavenly places (Ephesians 6:12), these demons committed sins so severe that the Lord subjected them to "the bottomless pit" or Tartarus, a section of Sheol (2 Peter 2:4) where Satan is also currently (Rev. 20:1-2)
   
   5. While the pagan gods of the Mediterranean came from demons of Satan, you can compare their mythology with what happened with the Enochian "sons of God" who sired the Nephilim. Many gods in mythology ran about and fornicated and adulterated with humans, despite having god or goddess spouses who surpassed humanity in beauty, power, and abilities. This created demigods like Achilles, Hercules, and Theseus who were humans with above natural abilities.
   
   That is how humanity was able to grow quickly, but also corrupt itself quickly, not living in faithfulness of the true to the point where only Noah, his wife, three of his sons, and their wives were saved from destruction. Note that Noah most likely had other physical children who do not heed his faith or warnings, likewise with any grandchildren from the sons and their marriages. Only Shem, Japheth and Ham are named as Noah's sons due to their following Noah and entering the ark. They were sons in the fullest sense and not merely Noah's biological offspring.
   
   The sons of God turned out to not truly be sons of God, but Noah, who was a man, turned out to be a true son of God because he follower dearly God and The Son of God, who is our Ark.
   
   tl;dr: Enoch is trash. Use only Canonical scriptures. Don't mess with holiness, like the demons of Enoch's generation did. When God gives you the best gifts, don't fuck with them, and don't ever think you can receive greater than what infinite Yahweh can give. Be like Noah. Follow Christ. Female angels are really cute, but your waifu, on Earth and in Heaven is cuter.
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   • ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 06:07:23 JST ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️

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     • Jean_Philippe_Micheaux
     • Lichelord Godfrey
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     @troubledturtle @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @charlie_root @lichelordgodfrey And we're not talking about axing ad hoc post hoc like in Nicaea. Christians (Acts 17:11) clearly spotted from the get go the various issues of uninspired works, so they never considered it Scriptures, only making a complete list when heretics, pagans, and Jews pressed the issue, 3rd and 4th centuries.
     
     That's besides the obvious issue that the book of Enoch does not attach itself to a prophet, apostle, or Moses, but to a man from a world only known through special revelation from God to Moses in Genesis. We would have seen references to it from Moses onward in the OT. If it were truly considered a real Biblical book by Jews and the earliest Christians, then we would have seen it with the Septuagint and Leningrad Codex. We would have seen more use of Enoch in the New Testament than one single verse in Jude, as Christ and the Apostles relied on God's Word that brings life and wisdom.*
     
     *If people accept Enoch for merely that Jude's so-called reference, then they would have to accept a book called The Assumption of Moses, which included the story of Michael and Satan but which we do not have, and admit God failed to preserve Scriptures. Worse, they would have to accept Meander, Aratus, and Epimenides (whose works we also do not have) as Scripture, even though all three of those were faithless pagans. There's more to cross-referencing within Scripture than mere citation.
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   • Troubled Turtle :verified: (troubledturtle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 06:07:24 JST Troubled Turtle :verified:

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     • Jean_Philippe_Micheaux
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     @SuperSnekFriend @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @charlie_root @lichelordgodfrey " I don't accept Enoch as inspired by the Holy Spirit. " others probably felt the same way ,hence why it was axed from the Bible.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 06:09:45 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SuperSnekFriend @troubledturtle @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @charlie_root @lichelordgodfrey Grandpa always said “You can go looking for more bible when you’ve mastered the one you got“

     Scriptorians always fall into that allure towards the unknown as if there’s something so amazing and wonderful buried in the apocrypha. In reality, whatever good is there probably isn’t different from what you’ve got in the KJV to begin with. And the bad is opening yourself up to the unknown - not a good thing when the temptation is always to bring doctrine in line with worldliness.